The ethically challenged Bowles

Washington Times ^ | 9/25/02 | David N. Bossie

[Jim Robinson]

Oh, wait. I'm forgetting myself. You probably did work your ass off, but it was probably for some third party loser candidate. Oh, well, maybe you'll come around to reality someday, but I doubt it. If you want to have a say in the matter, then perhaps you should think about joining the major leagues. Otherwise, you can continue to sit on the sidelines and whine about something you have no control over.

[Abundy]

Work harder next time.

I agree...would you agree that it is awful hard to work against the Party apparatus? (Hell, look at how Democrats couldn't get Clinton off their back and ended up with that Mc-fundraiser dude, even though many of the entrenched Party members wanted someone else)

How are we supposed to work against the party, especially an incumbent supported by the Party? (looking forward to 4 years from now, if Dole proves to be a RINO)

These are other considerations that must be considered. Your responses and strategy are entirely too simplistic for such a complex issue...there should be a plan in place for dealing with the Party apparatus and those who in the Republican Party that are no more conservattive than Bowles, Hillary and Daschle.

[Abundy]

Oh, wait. I'm forgetting myself. You probably did work your ass off, but it was probably for some third party loser candidate. Oh, well, maybe you'll come around to reality someday, but I doubt it. If you want to have a say in the matter, then perhaps you should think about joining the major leagues. Otherwise, you can continue to sit on the sidelines and whine about something you have no control over.

Hmmm...as I was compiling a reasoned response to you, laboring under the mistaken premise that this would be a civilized discussion devoid of pesonal attacks, you posted the above response.

I see that civilized, intelligent debate is not on the agenda for today, therefore I'll move along to another thread. Thanks for respecting the posting guidelines.

Regards.

[Jim Robinson]

Well, did you work for and support a more conservative Republican candidate in North Carolina or did you not?

[Abundy]

Well, did you work for and support a more conservative Republican candidate in North Carolina or did you not?

At this point, my response to this question is not an issue - I believe you owe me an apology.

[Pagey]

Excusing Mr. Clinton's fund-raising scandals, Mr. Bowles said, "in my opinion, it's not a question of legality or illegality. I think what was done was legal, but we at the White House were in the fight of our lives.

Again,the word "Fight" is used,ala AlGore and David "I Recently lost my Primary for Gov. of Michigan".You can't disagree, you must "fight".It's very sad because it appears they really believe the lies that they spout.Erskine Bowles left his job(perhaps 1 of the top 5 important jobs on earth,Chief Of Staff) when #42 asked for 3 free hours off in the afternoon to 'Rest'.He knew what #42 was capable of and knew what was going on all that time,what a skunk.I hope Dole wins and wins BIG.

[Pagey]

Oops Sorry! David "I Recently lost my Primary for Gov. of Michigan" BONIOR! Hurrah!

[Jim Robinson]

B/S. Dole is the same as Bowles? Give me a break. You've insulted every Republican in North Carolina and all across the nation. You're the one who owes the apology.

[Abundy]

OK, I'll play.

I apologize for calling attention to to the fact that Liddy Dole has taken some pages from the Liberals playbook while pandering for votes from Women by attacking concealed carry laws, semi-automatic firearms and seeking to ban/tax ammunition.

I apologize for calling attention to Liddy Dole's liberal-like positions on some environmental issues.

Of course, I could summarize the previous two posts by stating:

I apologize for having the temerity to question the conservative credentials of a Republican Candidate for office.

I believe I owe two more apologies:

I apologize for attempting to engage in informed, rational debate regarding how best to restore conservative, constitutional government to this Country.

I apologize for attempting to debate logically the best way to restore some integrity to the Republican Party and prevent it from becoming a parody of the Democratic Machine.

Now how about apologizing for your personal attack in lieu of engaging in debate?

[Jim Robinson]

No thank you. Insincere apology not accepted. My comments were and still are right on target. And your insults continue. And I think it's a safe bet that you did not lift finger one to support any conservative Republican candidate for Senator in North Carolina prior to the primary. But you sure as blazes want to whine and complain about something after the fact when you did nothing to affect the outcome. Typical.

[Abundy]

BTW - This Republican doesn't sound offended. Maybe he should apolgize for his assessment of Ms. Dole?

I would hold my nose and vote for Mrs. Tax Collector for the Welfare State. The Clinton criminal Bowles belongs in jail, despite his self-created pious image.

15 posted on 9/25/02 11:20 AM Eastern by SupplySider
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[Jim Robinson]

Yada, yada, yada. Did you work to support a more conservative candidate or did you not. I think the answer is obvious. Good day to you sir.

[Abundy]

For the record, you know I don't live in NC, however, I worked hard to elect conservative Republicans during the primary in my State. I've been associated with conservative candidates in my state and local elections for the last ten years. I work damn hard to get them elected in the primary and general elections. I understand all too well how the process works from the inside - the deals and tradeoffs, the promises that must be kept. I understand how hard it is for a candidate that does not have the Party's blessing to prevail. So, you got me to answer your question even though you have yet to apologize for your insult. No matter, that is the measure of our respective characters.

Liddy Dole was a liberal during the presidential campaign. She is the lesser of two evils in this election in NC.

It would be a refreshing change to see someone, especially the owner of this site, address salient points about how best to go about electing good, conservative candidates from within the Republican Party rather than have to listen to insults and statements about electing R's instead of D's. It would be refreshing to hear some intelligent discussion about how hard it is to work against an incumbent and/or the Party's choice from inside the Party, rather than personal insults.

I've been civil to you. I've been accomodating to you, however I will not apologize for my personal opinion. Especially when it is merely your opinion that I've insulted the entire Republican Party and NC Republicans by pointing out problems with Liddy Dole and offering my opinion of her character; especially when your statement was intended to draw attention from the fact that you violated your own posting guidelines by responding to me with an insult, rather than civil discussion.

I expected better of someone who despised William Jefferson Clinton's absolute disregard of rules and WJC's constant attempts to shift the discussions.

Regards.

[Jim Robinson]

Ladies and gentlemen, despite the whining of the naysayers to the contrary, it is absolutely essential that we retake the majority in the Senate this election. Too much is at stake here. We will most likely have one or more Supreme Court vacancies to fill in the next year or so, not to mention hundreds of appointments throughout the federal judiciary and elsewhere and we want Bush's conservative nominees to be approved. If we want to turn this thing around we must replace the liberal activist judiciary. The only way we can accomplish this is by having a Republican Administration and a Republican Congress and Senate. Yes, the "R" is important. At this point in history, it's the entire game. Work in the primaries to get the best candidate on the ballot, but whatever you do, vote for the Republican in the general election. There is no other way.

[Abundy]

despite the whining of the naysayers

Rather than get personal and resort to insults, why not post

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"despite some reasoned opinions to the contrary from concerned conservatives, my opinion is that the best, most prudent course of action is..."

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Why do you have to immediately insult those who want the same outcome as you, a Conservative Court and a conservative Republican Party, merely because they might disagree or have some problems with the solution?

[spunkets]

"If we want to turn this thing around we must replace the liberal activist judiciary. The only way we can accomplish this is by having a Republican Administration and a Republican Congress and Senate. Yes, the "R" is important. At this point in history, it's the entire game."

Exactly.

[malakhi]

If a Republican majority, once they're in office, proves to be as corrupt as the Dems, complain all you want, and by all means, vote them out next go round.

We had a Republican president and a Republican majority in the House and Senate. Until we were betrayed by a RINO.

[Jim Robinson]

Hah! Sensitive are you? Bwaahahahahah!

[Roscoe]

despite some reasoned opinions to the contrary from concerned conservatives

Your mirror's broken.

[Jim Robinson]

Precisely why we need the greatest majority we can possibly get. We have to overcome both the Democrat minority and our own moderates. There will always be liberal districts and liberal states. But any "R" from those districts at least counts as a plus one in the conservative majority. We'll take it. The majority rules. That's the name of the game.