[newgeezer]

STOP THE TAPE! Are these secular experts or Christian experts?

Ask them. Chances are (something like 70% for the man on the street; probably less for so-called "experts"), they'll say they're Christians.

Besides, "spare the rod, spoil the child"... I know I've heard that somewhere before... ;-) :-D

[biblewonk]

Yeah the same book that says, if you beat your child, he will not die. And, "the father that loves his child disciplines him but the father that hates his child doesn't."