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A Nation of Informers
New York Times ^ | 9/23/02 | ADAM LIPTAK

Posted on 09/22/2002 10:42:31 PM PDT by kattracks

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To: nopardons
There are some things reasonable, sane people just don't do.

A black man doesn't go into a white cowboy bar and yell out, "Where's the white women?"

A white man doesn't go into a Detroit R&B club and yell out, "Get it on Homey."

And three people of Arab decent shouldn't walk into a diner and suggest they are terrorists. If these three had wanted to have a private conversation they could have spoken in their original language. No, they wanted to bait the redneck lady.

They are lucky they are still alive... She did the right thing.

61 posted on 09/23/2002 1:50:54 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: kattracks
What should Eunice Stone have done?

WWED? (What would Eunice Do?)

62 posted on 09/23/2002 1:52:26 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: DentsRun
...I reserve the right to joke about anything in a hamburger joint ...

It is wise to be circumspect with your speech around people who are preparing your food.

63 posted on 09/23/2002 1:54:32 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: DentsRun
Those guys have the right to say anything they want, but they should be prepared to suffer the consequenses of being a$$40les.
64 posted on 09/23/2002 1:56:35 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: nopardons
She said, and it was reported IN PRINT, far more times, than anything her son said. BTW, the media reported so much , that was erronious / inaccurate, that you have NO idea what was said / happened.

Did you read the quote from her son? Apparently not, which means you you have no standing to complain about inaccurcies. As for the skullcap/headdress issue which you seem to think is so important, I saw two photographs of the trio. In one of them the heavily bearded man was sitting in the center wearing a full turban(?) of the sort that is wrapped in such a way that it has a V in the front. In another photo (apparently from a TV appearance) I saw him wearing a skullcap, like an oversize yarmulke. Neither one, in my opinion, should be enough to send American citizens into a panic.

As for Freepers being fair objective observers of the passing scene, I only wish that all of them were. After it was reported that the one car did NOT blow through the toll gate without paying the charge, some people here were clearly disappointed. They wanted the Muslims to be guilty of something, even if it wasn't terrorism. If that's not bigotry, I don't know what else you call it. We certainly label it bigotry when people treat blacks and jews that way.

65 posted on 09/23/2002 1:59:07 AM PDT by DentsRun
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To: CWOJackson
Of course Eunice Stone did the right thing ! Unfortunatelly, there are some supposed Conservatives, here, who not only dishonor FR, they dishonor being called Americans. They don't know the facts, but what does that matter ... as long as they can type all manner of garbage.

During WW II, people stood on roofs, to watch for enemy plans. They were to alert the proper people, if they saw any. They were also supposed to report any suspicious activities and conversations. THey did so, without any childish worry about their " losing their freedonm ". Why is this situation different ? Why can't some posters see and understand that it is unwise and unsafe to assume that what they ( or others ) might see and / or hear is just a joke ?

And we wonder why the Muslim communities haven't reported what they know about sleeper cells ? If people here, don't care, I guess they shouldn't either. It's not, after all, as though Muslims didn't DIE at the murderous hands of terrorists, on 9/ 11.

66 posted on 09/23/2002 2:00:21 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: DentsRun
Listen moron, who the hell cares what her son said, she did the right thing, had it been me, I would have pulled out a baseball bat and held the three slimeballs at bay waiting for the cops to come.
67 posted on 09/23/2002 2:01:32 AM PDT by John Lenin
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To: DentsRun
"No, I wasn't there and neither were you. I'm relying on press accounts which widely (and repeatedly) reported that the nurse's son said (to the best of my memory), "mom, they're just fooling (or joking) with you."

Pardon me, but I DON'T trust your memory. I've read dozens of stories about this topic and have yet to see even one quote by the son stating that he was convinced the men were joking. I do remember reports of him getting their license plate numbers from their cars.

Besides, your carping about Eunice and trying to make her into a bigot is going nowhere. You're the one with blinders on, bubba.
68 posted on 09/23/2002 2:01:45 AM PDT by demkicker
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To: John Lenin
How much are the Saudis paying you ?

I wish someone would pay me something but that begs the larger question--how much is the KKK paying you?

69 posted on 09/23/2002 2:02:04 AM PDT by DentsRun
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To: demkicker
Besides, your carping about Eunice and trying to make her into a bigot is going nowhere. You're the one with blinders on, bubba.

The nurse has an over-excitable imagination or can't tell joking from reality. The real bigots are the ones (including some here on free republic) who want to throw all Muslims out of America and nuke Baghdad.

70 posted on 09/23/2002 2:05:38 AM PDT by DentsRun
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To: nopardons
Simply a good argument for expanded conceal carry laws.

I'm not going to get into the issue of Japanese American internment...however, can you image if this had been Dec 8th, 1941, in a hamburger joint anywhere in America, and these had been three Japanese American's making a joke?

When you think about it, the situation isn't much different.

71 posted on 09/23/2002 2:06:00 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: John Lenin
Listen moron, who the hell cares what her son said

Well, lots of people care, given that her son was the voice of common sense and furthermore he was right.

, she did the right thing, had it been me, I would have pulled out a baseball bat and held the three slimeballs at bay waiting for the cops to come.

I'm sure you would have. And that's the problem with some of people here on Free Republic--they hate everyone who's not like them.

72 posted on 09/23/2002 2:10:19 AM PDT by DentsRun
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To: DentsRun
I read the son's supposed comments. I also heard Eunice, not once, but several times, say that her son had said that it might be just a hoax. Not a " joke ", a " hoax ".

I never saw the bearded jerk wear a turban. I saw his picture in several different newspapers ( i don't read only one ), as well as on T.V. and posted pictures on FR. It is, as I said, NO crime to stare at someone. Since Mrs. Stone has Palestinian relatives, I doubt that she was fixated on the headgear.

Apparently, you don't know many facts about this incident, you don't have any idea what I reply to you now, nor what I have been writing for four years, all over FR, but you love to make blanket statements, impugn people ( so that YOU might then look good ? ), and enjoy making things up.

Just a factoid, which might give you some pause, dear... the kind of turban, that you so vivedly described, is ONLY worn by Seiks. It is part of their religious apparel. It is significantly different from what OBL and the Taliban wear. it is NOTHING, whatsoever, like Arabs wear. The ONLY man, who woore headcovering, was the ARAB . The Pakisanis wore NO head covering and since all three are Muslims, they wouldn't be caught dead, wearing such a thing.

Wanna try again, oh factually ill informed and delusional person ?

73 posted on 09/23/2002 2:11:25 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: DentsRun
"The nurse has an over-excitable imagination or can't tell joking from reality. The real bigots are the ones (including some here on free republic) who want to throw all Muslims out of America and nuke Baghdad."

Go soak your messed up head. You sound like a broken record repeating the same nonsense. You refuse to add anything new to the debate and are making false accusations against a brave woman.
74 posted on 09/23/2002 2:12:16 AM PDT by demkicker
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To: DentsRun
" And that's the problem with some people here on FRee-Republic--they hate everyone who's not like them ."

Now we all know what your problem is; you hate everyone who doesn't think ( and I use that word loosely )exactly as you do! Thanks for sharing. :-)

75 posted on 09/23/2002 2:22:06 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: DentsRun
And that's the problem with some of people here on Free Republic--they hate everyone

Is your brain stuck in a loop ? You have accused everyone who doesn't go along with your way of thinking of being a hater or a bigot. Are you on some kind of drugs ?
76 posted on 09/23/2002 2:35:32 AM PDT by John Lenin
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To: nopardons
I read the son's supposed comments. I also heard Eunice, not once, but several times, say that her son had said that it might be just a hoax. Not a " joke ", a " hoax ".

According to the Christian Science Monitor, her son was a lot more dubious than that, saying "Oh Mama, they're just messing with you."

It is, as I said, NO crime to stare at someone.

And it's also no crime to say whatever you want to other people at your table in a public coffee shop. If Bin Laden turns us into a nation of informers because of 9-11, he's done far more damage to us than he ever dreamed.

77 posted on 09/23/2002 2:54:41 AM PDT by DentsRun
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To: nopardons
Now we all know what your problem is; you hate everyone who doesn't think ( and I use that word loosely )exactly as you do! Thanks for sharing. :-)

What I hate is people who don't think at all, as for instance when people here call for killing all Arabs or nuking Bahgdad.

78 posted on 09/23/2002 2:57:39 AM PDT by DentsRun
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To: John Lenin
Is your brain stuck in a loop ? You have accused everyone who doesn't go along with your way of thinking of being a hater or a bigot. Are you on some kind of drugs?

I just get tired of people here posting messages calling for all Muslims to be killed or expelled or to "nuke Baghdad" (which seems insane given than the president's stated purpose is to free Iraqis from Hussein, not incinerate them with him.)

79 posted on 09/23/2002 3:02:26 AM PDT by DentsRun
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To: demkicker
You refuse to add anything new to the debate and are making false accusations against a brave woman.

It's not false to say that her son told his mother, "Oh, mama, they're just messing with you." And I don't know how brave you have to be to inform on someone after they left the restaurant.

80 posted on 09/23/2002 3:10:18 AM PDT by DentsRun
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