Posted on 09/22/2002 5:41:58 AM PDT by JediGirl
Edited on 04/12/2004 5:44:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Tess Williams of Elk Grove wept when she saw her sister holding a sign in the crowd of protesters standing outside Santa Cruz's City Hall last week.
"It just is so unlike her," Williams said. Her sister, a soccer mom, PTA secretary "and always the more quiet and elegant of us two," isn't the sign-waving type.
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(A) To ensure that seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes where that medical use is deemed appropriate and has been recommended by a physician who has determined that the person's health would benefit from the use of marijuana in the treatment of cancer, anorexia, AIDS, chronic pain, spasticity, glaucoma, arthritis, migraine, or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no physician in this state shall be punished, or denied any right or privilege, for having recommended marijuana to a patient for medical purposes(my highlights)
A law like this is pretty wide open and subject to abuse. One can easily make an argument against medical marijuana laws written this way.
No. But, I still think the vast majority of the people who want the medical marijuana are the ingrown toenail crowd.
Thanks for the laugh of the day, robertpaulsen!
"Controlled" is the key word here.
Sure - if the FDA could "control" cannibis, it would be widely used and prescribed in the medical community by now. But since pot can be grown by the average Joe for his own consumption - medical or not - there are no major pharmaceutical companies for the FDA gestapo to extort money from for the drug's "approval".
Just one of the many examples of "government compassion".
But it's the law. They must suffer and die. DEA agents just doing their jobs. So were the soldiers under Stalin and Mao just doing their jobs.
How funny you seem to think that a rational person is going to take a statement like this with any degree of seriousness at all.
You ARE aware that there are other narcotics and medications far more appropriate, don't you?
Why don't you just admit that you people use this ruse to open the door for legalized dope? That's your ultimate aim, not the "relief of suffering." YOU'RE the one who's suffering every time your pusher gets caught with the goods and your supply dries up.
I wouldn't have a problem with prescribed marijuana---treated as any other drug with restricted access to people who actually needed it (based on clinical studies, not hearsay)
That's odd, most people only have a problem when another person harms them by initiating of force, threat of force or fraud against them. You seem to have a problem with yourself, not other people.
I would like to know more about this drug. If people have trouble keeping it down in pill form, I bet they can make it as a suppository like they do with other anti-nausea drugs.
I said nothing about the 'dangers' associated with marijuana. I didn't say it was dangerous, and I didn't say it wasn't dangerous. I simply responded to evad's query by stating that one can argue against medical marijuana laws when they're written like California's Proposition 215.
I have said at least twice on this board that I favor medical marijuana if it is dispensed by a physician like any other prescription drug. Prop 215 is a joke, and you have to see that.
It's a shame that your physician, after exhausting all other solutions, wasn't allowed to prescribe marijuana for your anorexia.
Right, when it comes to smoking cigarettes, which is documented to kill hundreds of thousands, we all have a choice to do what we will and be free.
When we start talking about the evil demon weed, which hasn't got a single documented death, all of a sudden we're talking about Western Civilization collapsing in a dope haze.
The truth/honesty always outlives the lie/dishonesty. It always has and always will. The bigger the lie the bigger the crash. The WOD is but one aspect of the leviathan government lie. It's a global scourge. The crash to end all crashes.
Here's an exchange from another thread that relates to this.
Americans have had 50 years to learn about marijuana and know that it is not the demon drug that the ONDCP wants to make it out to be.
Here's the thing. Walters (drug czar) and other high-ranking drug warriors know what you say is fact. They have built a house of cards and it is collapsing because it is based on lies and illusions. Honest truth always outlives a lie. They are on their last gasp. It's like the obnoxious drunk that doesn't know when to quit much less how to quit.
Something more important to the government then the "will of the people" is at stake here. What could it be?
The WOD. That too is going to collapse with Walters leading the charge via his marijuana lies. The WOD is being increasingly backed into a corner.
The WOD is but one aspect of the leviathan-government lie. It's a global scourge. The crash to end all crashes. In the last century governments killed a more than sixty million of their own citizens. They don't teach that fact in school. Why? It contradicts the belief that external authorities know better than the internal authority of the individual.
In each person's life internal authority takes precedence over external authority. That some people choose to sacrifice their own authority to external authority is always a net negative/loss to themselves and society.
Most people have had the external-authority hoax foisted on them. The individual is the highest authority. Real power that increases health, well being, happiness and prosperity is owned by creative businesspersons and productive the working class.
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Congress has created so many laws that virtually every person is assured of breaking more than just traffic laws. Surely with all this supposed lawlessness people and society should have long ago run head long into destruction. But it has not.
Instead, people and society have progressively prospered. Doing so despite politicians creating on average, 3,000 new laws each year which self-serving alphabet-agency bureaucrats implement/utilize to justify their usurped power and unearned paychecks. They both proclaim from on high -- with complicit endorsement from the media and academia -- that all those laws are "must-have" laws to thwart people and society from running headlong into self-destruction.
Again, despite not having this year's 3,000 must-have laws people and society increased prosperity for years and decades prior. How can it be that suddenly the people and the society they form has managed to be so prosperous for so long but suddenly they will run such great risk of destroying their self-created prosperity? Three hundred new laws each year is overkill, but 3,000 is, well, it's insane.
Politics is not the solution, it's the problem. Honest business and science is the solution. It has always been the solution.
War of Two Worlds
Value Creators versus Value Destroyers
The first thing civilization must have is business/science. It's what the family needs so that its members can live creative, productive, happy lives. Business/science can survive, even thrive without government/bureaucracy.
Government/bureaucracy cannot survive without business/science. In general, business/science and family is the host and government/bureaucracy is a parasite.
Keep valid government services that protect individual rights and property. ...Military defense, FBI, CIA, police and courts. With the rest of government striped away those few valid services would be several fold more efficient and effective than they are today.
Underwriters Laboratory is a private sector business that has to compete in a capitalist market. Underwriters laboratory is a good example of success where government fails.
Any government agency that is a value to people and society -- which there are but a few -- could much more effectively serve people by being in the private sector where competition demands maximum performance.
Wake up! They are the parasites. We are the host. We don't need them. They need us.
If you had to go to the pharmacy to get it, they would be cut out of the profits.
This is probably the only form of free enterprise that many of them have ever supported (FReepers excepted, of course.)
They don't have to believe me. They can read your posts and validate for themselves. Every person is exposed by their words. The record stands as is for any person that cares to read this thread.You'd deprive a sick and dying person a small bit of painless tranquility in their life. 69
How funny you seem to think that a rational person is going to take a statement like this with any degree of seriousness at all.
You ARE aware that there are other narcotics and medications far more appropriate, don't you?
It's none of your business or the government's business what a person does to seek happiness in their life or relief from pain in their life so long as they do not initiate force fraud or threat aginast any person.
YOU'RE the one who's suffering every time your pusher gets caught with the goods and your supply dries up.
Go ahead and try to prove that claim you just made or admit that you made an error. I don't do drugs, not even alcohol or caffeine.
This forum is used by some people, Illbay included, that want the power to initiate force, fraud and coercion against people or seek to enlist government agents to initiate force, fraud and threat of force against people on their behalf.
DRONABINOL (Marinol®)
Classification: Cannabinoid
Indication: Anorexia, weight loss, wasting, nausea
Side Effects: CNS effects: somnolence, dizziness, euphoria, paranoid reactions, feeling "high." Anxiety, asthenia, facial flushing, palpitations and tachycardia may also occur, as may N/V and abdominal pain. When using the higher doses, some amnesia, ataxia and hallucinations have been reported.
Use in Pregnancy: Category C. Risk cannot be ruled out. Dronabinol should only be used in pregnancy if the benefit justifies potential risk to the fetus.
Drug Interactions: Dronabinol is highly protein bound and may displace other protein-bound drugs. Additive hypertension might occur with amphetamines, cocaine, and other sympathomimetic agents; additive tachycardia with atropine, antihistamines and other anticholinergic agents; additive drowsiness and CNS depression with benzodiazepines, barbiturates, antihistamines, muscle relaxants and other CNS depressants.
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