Posted on 09/22/2002 5:41:58 AM PDT by JediGirl
Edited on 04/12/2004 5:44:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
You can't exercise your rights 'properly' when you've decided to take a substance which makes you irrational and illogical, JG. It's just that simple. Dope smokers cannot be Constitutionalists, the contradictions become overwhelming.
...and okay, what about people under the influence of alcohol? Are you for making alcohol illegal?...
Depends what you mean by under the influence. I'm for making drunkenness illegal, definitely.
...or (c), that everyone knows that MM is the thin end of the wedge, and is well aware of just how much it'll be abused. The pro-abort lobby started out with this medical justification BS, too.
Ever known a chronic dope smoker that wasn't 'pale and emaciated', JG?
And if it were up to me, yes, alcohol would be illegal.
Brunswick, ME, April 1996--Cameron Brett, 20, a sophomore at the University of Maine, had a blood-alcohol level nearly twice the legal limit for driving when he fell three stories to his death while trying to climb onto the roof of Bowdoin College's Chi Delta Phi fraternity.
Chapel Hill, NC, May 1996--Four students with blood-alcohol levels of .14 to .20 were among five students killed when fire engulfed the Phi Gamma Delta house at the University of North Carolina. Fire officials suspect the fire was started by a cigarette tossed into a basement wastebasket.
Cohasset, MA, June 1996--Gregory Smith, 18, drove away from a drinking party at a local home and died when he crashed into a pole.
North Andover, MA, July 1996--Kyle Wentworth, 19, died when he was struck by a commuter train along the Merrimack River while playing an alcohol- fueled game of chicken.
Charlottesville, VA, October 1996--Elizabeth McGowan, a senior at the University of Virginia, had a blood-alcohol level of .25 when she died when a fire ripped through her off-campus apartment. She died of smoke inhalation after a smoke bomb, which had been tossed into her apartment by two friends as a joke earlier in the evening, smoldered and finally caught fire after the party had ended and she had fallen asleep.
Frostburg, MD, November 1996--John Eric Stinner, 20, a freshman at Frostburg State University, was found dead after drinking six to eight cups of beer and 12 to 14 shots of vodka at an unofficial, off-campus fraternity which had charged admission to its party. Seven students and a recent graduate of Frostburg State were charged with manslaughter in February 1997.
Oneonta, NY, May 1997--Robert Jordan, 22, of Plymouth, MA, a student at Hartwick College, drowned after falling into a river after a night of drinking.
Los Angeles, July 1997--Two UCLA members of Lambda Chi Alpha drowned in Lake Mead after a drinking party.
Baton Rouge, LA, August 1997--Benjamin D. Wynne, a sophomore at Louisiana State University and a new pledge at Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity, had a blood-alcohol level of .588 and died of alcohol poisoning after a "bid night" party organized by his fraternity at a local bar. Campus police were called to the fraternity at 1:30am and found about a dozen students passed out. Four students, including Mr. Wynne, were taken to hospitals by paramedics.
Amherst, MA, September 1997--Adam Prentice, 21, a junior, had a blood alcohol level of .12 when he tried to climb the glass roof of a greenhouse at the University of Massachusetts. He fell through the glass and bled to death.
North Andover, MA, September 1997--Meaghan Duggan, 17, died after drinking heavily at a private party. She fell down the cellar stairs and fractured her skull.
Boston, MA, September 1997--Scott Krueger, 18, a freshman at MIT living at Phi Gamma Delta, had a blood-alcohol level of .41 after a night of heavydrinking at the fraternity. He died of alcohol poisoning and choking on his own vomit.
Pray tell, how does alcohol poisoning occur then? By injection? Good grief.
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Passed Out?
Do you know the signs of acute alcohol poisoning? Do you know what to do if someone is suffering from its effects?
Your friend who had way too much to drink, may not just be sleeping it off. If her or she is suffering from acute alcohol poisoning, as a result of drinking too much too quickly, they could die if you do not intervene.
How do you tell the difference between being passed out and alcohol poisoning?
If they are suffering from alcohol poisoning he person may be unconscious but cannot be awakened. If you try to wake your friend up and they do not respond check to see if they have cold, clammy, unusually pale or bluish skin. Check their breathing also.
If they are breathing slowly or irregularly --less than eight times a minute --or ten seconds or more between any two breaths, they are in trouble. Another sign is if they vomit while passed out and do not wake up during or after vomiting.
How Can You Help?
First call 9-1-1 immediately. Do not hesitate, don't think about any legal ramifications, your friend's life could depend on your quick response.
Do not leave the person alone and continue to try to revive them. Turn him or her on their side, so that if they do vomit they will be less likely to choke on it. Yeah, it's gross, but many deaths result from drunks coking on their own vomit.
Watch their breathing closely. If they stop breathing be prepared to perform CPR. If you don't know how to preform CPR, try to find someone who does.
From http://alcoholism.about.com/library/weekly/aa000723a.htm
Of course I have. And I've seen that while having the odd joint does no harm at all, a certain kind of personality can become dependent on marijuana. That's not good for you in all kinds of ways; for instance, financially, or in relationships. That's why dope smokers so often pair up, because non-smokers don't want their partner sitting 'round the house in a non-communicative haze. If you're both doing it I guess it's not so bad.
'Mellow' is a silly 60s word meaning 'under the influence of drugs.' And you can't exercise any rights properly, while under the influence of drugs.
Look, I don't want to get into some 300K argument about dope. There's been ten million of those here on FR and they always end up in viciousness. Suffice it to say that (going back to the original thread topic) self-administered 'medical marijuana' is a complete crock. It's so Californian, the way these terminal cases are being used (and I mean used) to slip dope past the legislators. If people are in terrible terminal agony then let them take the option of professionally administered morphine, under which they will be pain-free and rational. The thought of some poor cancer case sucking away his last days on a bubbling bong to alleviate pain is too pitiful to contemplate.
well pardon me but I find it very hard to believe that you could do all that while being chronic dope smokers. I know what the lifestyle is like from close personal observation and I've seen the self-delusion aspect too. Check whether your dealer's selling you some no-THC placebo weed, JG.
Why? What rights couldn't be exercised properly?
Yes..and how I detest that bunch.
But I'm not sure we're talking apples and apples here. I'm only speaking to the medical benefits of the weed, not it's recreational or "other" usages.
If we disallow something because of it's potential abuse and transmogrification by liberals, then we would shut down many areas of promising potential. Research in gene therapy and stem cell would be a couple of examples. Certainly, these areas have the potential for tremendous future benefits but also tremendous abuses.
I say proceed with the research and punish the abusers as appropriate.
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