BISHOPS BETRAINING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

World Net Daily ^ | June 14, 2002 | Mary Jo Anderson

[AnAmericanMother]

I have heard but don't know for sure, that Mahoney was a protege of Bernardin.

These fools think they are being so 'contemporary' and 'with it', when all they are doing is letting the enemy in at the gates and exalting it on the high altar . . . C.S. Lewis was right (read the Screwtape Letters; he lays it all out for you.)

[leilani]

"When I was 18, I asked a priest about the anti-christ, because some kids were talking about the book of Revelations. This was Costa Mesa, CA, in 1969. The priest patted me on the head and told me not to worry about it. Needless to say, I left the Catholic church and became involved with the 'Jesus Movement'"

Needless to say, you weren't much of a catholic in the first place if that's all it took to make you leave. Come on. What's irritating as hell on FR are phony "ex-catholics" telling us how horrible the Church is & how much better off we'll all be with ----whatever, name your sect of the week.Go away!!!!

[leilani]

"I don't know what Catholic church you're talking about"

It's not anybody's Roman Catholic church.It's bogus,but this is Free Republic, and every now & then the weirdos who try to "save" us come out of the woodwork. Take 'em with a grain of salt.

[ninenot]

Part of the problem with visionaries is interpreting their words. Syncretism and problems with Bishops are certainly not confined to the present decade; nor will this be the last decade in which such problems exist.

[ninenot]

To give the altar the benefit of the doubt, there's also a large amount of red-colored granite and marble all over the world.

They did not paint it red, and the natural stone is quite attractive--God made it that way.

That said, I think the place is awful.

[leilani]

"The priest patted me on the head and told me not to worry about it. Needless to say, I left the Catholic church and became involved with the 'Jesus Movement'. All of this to say, the problem with the Catholic Church is and always has been, the shelving of the Bible.""

Sinkspur replied:No. The priest was right. If you're still worried about the anti-christ, the rapture, and other such nonsense, then the problem is not the Catholic Church. It's you. Does sinkspur rock or what? WOW!!!!

[ninenot]

think Mahony is one of Bernardin's fair-haired boys, isn't he?

Sinky knows who the Papal Legate was back then. Either Jadot or ????

[dsutah]

That's true, and you're right. I try do that, but some of these beg an answer. It's God's church, and it is for all of us, or whomever wants to go through it to follow him.

One thing I've noticed is: That some, not all, of the harshest, meanest, most unforgiving critics of the RC church, are the 'ex-R.Catholics'. I don't know what happened to them to make them that way.

If it's abuse, I try to understand, although it makes me sad. But some of the others....., who knows? But I do know the R. Catholic church, the one I've always belonged to, never 'shelved' the bible. Some people in it may have, but it's still there!

[sinkspur]

Sinky knows who the Papal Legate was back then. Either Jadot or ????

Jadot was the Apostolic Delegate when Mahoney was first named bishop, in parallel with Bernardin. I don't believe Mahoney and Bernardin were linked.

Mahoney has long fingers. As did Bernardin.

Just look around. You can't show me a bishop with short fingers. Stubby fingers are an automatic disqualification for the episcopacy.

[Desdemona]

My point about the Rockefellers was that any time there is real hard-core leftist movement, they seem to be around. My personal belief is that it's all part of a master plan. Call me crazy, but...

[AnAmericanMother]

If it's naturally red stone, and not painted, in a way that makes it worse. Pagan altars are supposed to be of natural stone. Remember the "Stone Table" in "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe"? C.S. Lewis, being a good classicist, was well aware of the pagan traditions. (He had a good riff about the idea that modern civilization was "pagan" - he said he wished it really WERE pagan (and not just secular), if only to see a Prime Minister in a dress suit trying to sacrifice a white bull!)

I'm not suggesting that Mahoney's interior decoration scheme is deliberately pagan. Just that when you step aside from the Church's traditions and start having "bright ideas", you sometimes wind up in places you didn't intend to be. But any person of classical education (do they still read Latin in seminary?) should have been well aware of the double meanings in this one.

[Cap'n Crunch]

That's what they say. But it won't be the Catholic religion, the prophecies say, and Daniel in the Old Testament says that the Catholic Church will be forced underground and will be persecuted, worse than the persecution of the early Church.

And the Holy Mass will not be celebrated for 3 1/2 years during the reign of the Antichrist.

[Cap'n Crunch]

I'm glad-thrilled that people are coming into the Church, now if we can help our Church regain it's standing. Get some of these bishops doing their jobs.

Time to clean house.

[american colleen]

I think we are blessed in that we really do not have any regular Catholic posters who are truly heterodox or dissident in their worldview regarding Catholicism.

I think I might have been a bit heterodox and/or dissident before I started reading and then posting to FR. I'm just a regular person in the pew who figured if the stuff going on was coming from the priests (first line of guidence that we get as regular worshippers), nuns (my bend was to trust them and assume they knew more than I know) and finally, the Bishops and Cardinals, then they all certainly knew better than I. You guys wised me up, that what I had in my gut and soul and heart all these years was the Truth. All those years I figured I was wrong... and it unfortunately led me to leave the Church off and on for a long time.

You all have no idea how deeply grateful I am to each and every one of the original Catholic Caucus (before it was the CC). I'm also grateful to the non-Catholics on FR because it was their posts deriding Catholicism that led me to move from the "breaking news" to the "religeous" threads.

[american colleen]

Yours is a beautiful post, thank you for it.

[Conservative til I die]

When I was 18, I asked a priest about the anti-christ, because some kids were talking about the book of Revelations. This was Costa Mesa, CA, in 1969. The priest patted me on the head and told me not to worry about it.

That's probably what Jesus would have said. Worry about today. Do as Jesus taught. The antiChrist and the Second Coming (and waiting for them) is not the Christian's concern.

Needless to say, I left the Catholic church and became involved with the 'Jesus Movement'.

Very sorry to hear that you have fallen away from the truth. I'll pray that you find your way back.

[Conservative til I die]

Assemblies of God? Think Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker and a host of other philandering scumbag scam artist preachers.

[HangWithMe]

Sorry, did not mean to offend fellow believers, I still love the Lord very much, please see my post
Happy Birthday Yeshua (general interest).
As you can see, I have not left the 'church' as we are the church, I am looking for and finding more of the One that I love.
Please do not be offended by my observations, and thank you for your prayers.

[BlackElk]

It is ALWAYS time to send another order to TAN Books.

[BlackElk]

That Jimmy Swaggert and James Bakker have sinned is no great surprise. Christian leaders, since the twelve apostles chosen by Christ Himself, have been sinners. If you are Catholic as I am, the sins of Jimmy Swaggert and James Bakker are really none of our business. The Assembly of God is perfectly capable of investigating, judging and dealing with its own ministers according to its own standards. It is certainly permissible to disagree with the theology of either of those ministers or of their denomination without the inflammatory name-calling. Either or both of the Rev. Mr. Swaggert and/or the Rev. Mr. Bakker may well have repented their sins sincerely. Taking them to task years after the fact here is merely engaging in an unseemly form of conflict all too amusing to our common enemies who are secular humanists. We ought not to engage in unseemly conflict in public.