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To: Lorianne
That spells an agenda and that agenda is bigottry and hate.

You caught me and my agenda red handed. I joined FR and have been waiting around all these many months just so I could advance my woman hating agenda. Since I've been outed I guess I have to leave now.....not

You didn't mention the behaviour of the male soldiers

Do I really have to? It seems to me that the reputation of the male soldier is quite well known. It was the female soldier being spoke of in the article, not the male soldier. Besides that, the male soldier has proven himself many times over, both in and out of combat. This cannot be said of the female soldier.

Why don't you hold male soldiers to the same moral standards Mr. Highhorse?

Well I guess it's because I expected more from a woman than I did a man when it came to sex. Call me a monster if you want. I guess it might be that my upbringing never prepared me for one woman taking on multiple sex partners at one time....and then bragging about it. I guess my hypocritical upbringing never prepared me for women having fellatio contests to see who could hold the most cum in their mouths. I guess my hypocritical upbringing never prepared me for hearing a young lady brag that she can fit two dicks in her ass and proved it the night before. I could go on, but I do not want to be banned. Now you are right, the male soldiers were just as cupable as the females, but as I said, I just expected more from a woman. If that makes me an evil bigoted male chavenist pig, so be it.

I didn't say anything you said was untrue. I said it was hate speech, biggotted and by the way hypocritical.

So it's true, but I'm not allowed to say it because if I do I'm a bigot and a hypocrit. Hmm. You sound like typical liberal feminist. G*d forbid I call a spade a spade. That's politically incorrect.

In case you missed it, we have a VOLUNTEER army. Nobody is taking jobs away from anyone.

Ah, now see madam, here is where you let every veteren know that you are clueless and know not of what you speak.

Yes, it is a volunteer military. However, there are a finite amount of slots. Some slots are very competitive and very hard to get into because there are not a lot of them from the get go. When a female receives such a slot and doesn't pull her weight, it hurts everyone. Pulling her weight can mean a lot of things. For instance, she's in x slot, but cannot perform her job functions because she's gotten herself knocked up. This puts a strain on her peers because they have to take up her slack, yet the unit cannot get a person to replace her because she is still there. She may be working as a clerk or a driver or who knows what, but as far as PERSCOM is concerned, she's still filling the slot.

Or how about if she gets knocked up in a CZ. She gets to go back home to a cushy desk job, while her male comrades are living in the mud in a tent. What makes it worse is that after hostilities are over, the Joe's who stayed and pulled their weight cannot go to a well earned desk job because the knocked up females have them all. So off they go to another tactical unit.

And I won't even get into the fact that women are not held to the same standard as men when it comes to PT, yet want to be treated as full fledged soldiers.

43 posted on 09/17/2002 7:13:50 PM PDT by bat-boy
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To: bat-boy
First, you can post all the anecdotal stories you want and that proves nothing. You can't prove that women are more or less "immoral" or behave better or worse in their personal lives while in the military. If we want to talk about morality, I've posted above about the tens of thousand of abandoned kids fathered by US military personell in overseas deployements. These are real hard facts, not anectodotes about people engaging in oral and anal sex.

In terms of disciplinary action and criminal involvement, I'd like to see some stats on what percentage of women and men are cited for deriliction of duty instead of hearsay anecdotes about personal behaviour.

Secondly, females haven't proven themselves in combat because they haven't been there. So that is a red herring argument. Anyway, the majority of men in the military do not do combat duty. The military puts people in combat for specific reasons. The military would be wise (and is) in hiring people for specific expertise, such as logistics, tactical and technical capabilities. They're not going to put their top technical and logistics people on the front lines, nor should they. Nor would they put everyone in combat and leave no one for supply and backup operations. It's simply ludicrous to equate combat with military service. Most military people, even in wartime, never see combat. My grandfather was an ace mechanic in WWII. He was kept well behind enemy lines fixing machinery and transport vehicles. It would have made no tactical sense to put him in combat. He saved more lives doing what he was good at doing.

Thirdly, I am not a liberal but I am a feminist. However, your collectivist thinking is more indicative of liberals who use collective "group think" to form agendas.

Fourthy, if the military has problems with personell assignement, that has nothing to do with women but how they manage personell. They should look at changing their policies. What do they do if a male has to be on medical leave or is withdrawn for disciplinary action? Again, I'd like to see some numbers on demographic percentages of people pulled from active duty for medical reasons.

Meanwhile, while you're demonizing females off the top of your head, I found some interesting information on attrition rates. The overall attrition rate in the military for people not fulfilling their contract for their first tour for various reasons including medical reasons, drug use, inability to perform duties ect. is 30%. The attrition breakdown rate is:

White male: 33%

White female: 43%

Black male: 33%

Black female: 33%

Hispanic male: 26%

Hispanic female: 31%

It appears to me that while white women do seem to have a higher than average attrition rate, other females are in line with the average and with men in general. Overall it seems a 30% attritio rate points to very poor screening practices. I would hope the military would work on that one.

One could imagine that the attrition rate would be much higher under a draft. Even so, Lew Brodsky, director of congressional and government affairs for the SSS (selective service) has said that if a draft is ever reinacted women will most certainly be needed to fill all the positions such a dire situation and reinstating a draft would imply, particularly in the medical service. This is because we have a much smaller pool of younger people to draw from than in previous wars.

"The 2000 Census estimates that 6.6 million of the 8.5 million health care practitioners, technical and support occupations, are women. Though the database was never collected, Brodsky said the "preponderance of women" in the health care field makes it inevitable to include them in any future database development." (draft registration)

47 posted on 09/17/2002 8:35:38 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: bat-boy

“Ah, now see madam, here is where you let every veteran know that you are clueless and know not of what you speak.
Yes, it is a volunteer military. However, there are a finite amount of slots. Some slots are very competitive and very hard to get into because there are not a lot of them from the get go. When a female receives such a slot and doesn’t pull her weight, it hurts everyone. Pulling her weight can mean a lot of things. For instance, she’s in x slot, but cannot perform her job functions because she’s gotten herself knocked up. This puts a strain on her peers because they have to take up her slack, yet the unit cannot get a person to replace her because she is still there. She may be working as a clerk or a driver or who knows what, but as far as PERSCOM is concerned, she’s still filling the slot.”

It’s more likely he couldn’t get a high GT score (Army).


79 posted on 09/11/2009 7:52:03 PM PDT by dtk
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