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To: blam
I had a Jewish doctor once who was quick to point out that 'Jews' (Jewish) was a religion and not a race. So...which is it?

It's both, to a large extent.

(Though it should be remembered that we abuse the term "race". Humans, at the genetic level, are almost identical. What we call races are no more than minor variations. An example of a truly different race would be the Neanderthal. They were more different from us than, for example, Europeans and Polynesians are from one another. However, there is evidence that they could produce fertile offspring with Modern Humans and thus were not a separate species. Applying the word "race" to Jews, Africans, Asians, or any other group is misleading.)

It is a religion dominated by members of a particular ethnic group. It's members tend not to be converts, but rather are following the religious teachings of their parents. Thus the religion is passed down within the group's families. And one would then expect to see other traits, such as this mutation or the mutation for Tay-Sachs passed along through this same lineage.

14 posted on 09/17/2002 10:13:38 AM PDT by Redcloak
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To: Redcloak
Read this book by Ian Tattersall for a complete understanding of extinct humans.


15 posted on 09/17/2002 10:18:31 AM PDT by blam
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To: Redcloak
Sort of PC...your views on genetics and race....and the "minor genetic differences". Relatively speaking we have minor genetic differences with all mammals. It's those little minor genetic differences which make for distinct physical differences in humans....race-wise.

I challenge your minimilization of this respectfully.....with regards to physical differences between the 3 major racial groups and their subset hybrids.

You should note however that I do not take the leap of drawing intellectual distinctions based on race based genetic differences. That is much more speculative. The physical differences are quite apparent.

Of course Jews are not a race. However a Sephardic and particularly an Oriental Jew probably has more genetic commonality with his fellow Semites than with his Ashkhenazim cousins.

28 posted on 09/18/2002 9:36:55 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Redcloak; blam
More on the recent 1999 study on Neanderthals and ancient Homo-Sapiens interbreeding.....and no I don't have any answers on this one. Seems like personal politics are influencing judgement on this about the same as it does any other anthro-science in our era.

ABC NEWS WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The out-of-Africa theory is not dead, anthropologists and other experts said, despite two studies that challenge the idea we are all descended from a single African "Eve." U.S. and Australian researchers published two reports that used physical and genetic evidence to suggest there may have been mixing of pre-humans with modern species. They said they had proved wrong the mainstream out-of-Africa theory -- that the ancestors of all living humans emerged from Africa some 50,000 years ago and either killed off or out-competed all other human-like creatures who settled across much of the world. One study used genetic evidence that suggested "Mungo Man" -- an Australian skeleton dated to between 40,000 and 60,000 years ago -- is genetically unrelated to Africans. The researchers, Gregory Adcock of Australian National University and colleagues, said their finding showed the first modern humans evolved in Australia, not Africa. Another, published in Friday"s issue of the journal Science, analyzed physical features of early human skulls to suggest there must have been interbreeding among the migrating Africans and resident Neanderthals and even Homo erectus species of pre-humans. "There never was a marauding band of Africans," University of Michigan anthropologist Milford Wolpoff, who led the second study, said in a telephone interview. "It certainly means that the "Eve" theory, the replacement theory, seems to be wrong." The Australian team and Wolpoff and colleagues belong to the "multiregionalist" school of human evolution. They believe humans evolved around the world at roughly the same time, and that they probably mixed with earlier species such as Neanderthals and Homo erectus. The out-of-Africa school says that all earlier humans died out and were replaced by a small group from Africa who quickly conquered the world. Some experts say the two theories are not incompatible -- although they predict a fight over the latest studies. FINGER-POINTING AND EGOS "There might be a lot of finger-pointing and name calling and debate that is more heat than light," said Peter Underhill of Stanford University, who has published genetic studies that date our common ancestors to an African man who lived 59,000 years ago and an African woman who lived 143,000 years ago. "But I don"t think it torpedoes the recent out-of-Africa scenario at all. I don"t think these two papers are going to turn the world of human evolution on its head." It does not matter whether early humans mixed or evolved into "modern" forms in more than one place, Underhill said. The out-of-Africa theory holds only that one lineage finally held sway, either through luck, better genes, or a combination of the two. We are all descended from that lineage, he said. "Everyone on Earth today is very closely related," he said. "It might suggest that there was some hybridization with moderns and possibly other modern lineages that existed 60,000 years ago that are now extinct, or it is possible there was some kind of hybridization with some sort of archaic human that lived in the past," Underhill added. "But no one is walking around so far in Europe with Neanderthal (genes)." So if both theories can co-exist, why argue? "Egos, egos, egos," Underhill said. "Scientists are human." Clark Howell, a professor emeritus of human evolution at the University of California Berkeley, agreed. "There is a tendency in some instances for some people at some times ... to jump to very wide, sweeping conclusions," he said. "In my view these two studies don"t upset any apple carts that are known." In other words, modern humans may have indeed evolved in places other than Africa. They may even have mated occasionally with Neanderthals, who did live at the same time and in the same places. But genetically, they have since died out. "If we are looking for the ancestry of modern people, where people alive today came from, where their genes came from -- if there was such hybridization it is negligible. It is impossible to find today," Chris Stringer, head of human origins at London"s Natural History Museum and an architect of the out-of-Africa theory, told Britain"s Guardian newspaper.

And yes I know paragraphs are our friend but that's how this came.

40 posted on 09/18/2002 1:36:58 PM PDT by wardaddy
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