Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Afghanistan - Soldiers search women for weapons
Stars and Stripes ^ | 9.16.02 | Steve Liewer,

Posted on 09/16/2002 5:17:31 PM PDT by swarthyguy

KANDAHAR AIRFIELD, Afghanistan — Sgt. Nicola Hall knew something was amiss when the Muslim woman in her 60s, clad in a burkha, pushed her hands away as the military policewoman gently patted her down for weapons.

When Hall, 22, passed a metal-detecting wand over the woman’s body, it had gone crazy. During the pat down, she pulled out an AK-47 rifle automatic rifle strapped to the woman’s leg and 30 rounds of ammunition tucked under her breast.

“She started screaming; she lashed out at me,” Hall recalled. “I said, ‘Why did you hide these from me?’ ”

The incident happened last week during Operation Champion Strike, an 82nd Airborne Division mission through the Bermel Valley of southeastern Afghanistan.

Although female soldiers don’t typically join infantry units during combat missions, Hall and another MP, Spc. Kristine Franc, both from the 21st Military Police Company of Fort Bragg, N.C., were there specifically to search Muslim women.

In the sensitive job of winning Afghan “hearts and minds,” the job Hall and Franc perform is among the most delicate. Protecting the modesty of women is of utmost importance in Islam, and body searches are by nature invasive. One wrongly conducted search can turn a whole village against the Americans.

“By the rules of engagement, we’re allowed to search women,” said Maj. Scott Harris, plans officer for the 1st Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment. “But we try to honor the customs.”

It’s a critical job, too. The elusive Taliban and al-Qaida have proved they will hide weapons anywhere. Two weeks ago, during a previous operation, soldiers found eight mortar tubes under the burkhas of Muslim women.

While soldiers searched the men and male children outdoors, the two MPs searched the women in a separate room indoors. Hall, whose unit was inspecting a shopping bazaar, conducted her searches in a doctor’s office.

Franc, 20, whose unit was inspecting a village, conducted her searches in a room in a house.

Hall and Franc cover their hair and faces during the searches. A doctor or village elder, a translator and an American guard are present, but all turn their backs.

Both MPs said the women they were searching didn’t know what to think of the situation.

“They were either scared, or they were absolutely amazed that I was out there,” Hall said.

“I don’t think they believed I was a female until I took my Kevlar (helmet) off,” Franc said.

The job is not new to either woman. Searches are a routine part of an MP’s job, and both deployed previously to Kosovo with their company. But Kosovo is a secular society, and few Muslim women there wear burkhas or other religious coverings.

“We’re trained to be sensitive to anybody’s needs,” Hall said. “We’re always coming up against different cultures, races, religions.”

They have also learned how to work and live with their fellow soldiers.

Although their 10-member MP detachment includes five women, they live in environments that are mostly male. Female soldiers still do not serve in front-line infantry units; during Champion Strike each was the only woman camping in the desert with hundreds of men.

They thought the situation probably was more awkward for the male soldiers than for them.

“I’ve always been around guys, stayed in the field with guys,” Hall said. “They were very professional out there.”

If you do your job right, they agree, you will get respect. Being a soldier is about watching your buddy’s back.

“I’m not going to let any of my guys get hurt,” Franc said.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; burkas; burqas; southasialist; warlist; women

1 posted on 09/16/2002 5:17:32 PM PDT by swarthyguy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: swarthyguy
she pulled out an AK-47 rifle automatic rifle strapped to the woman’s leg and 30 rounds of ammunition tucked under her breast.

female al Qaeda responds, "HAPPINESS IS A WARM GUN"

2 posted on 09/16/2002 5:26:04 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PoisedWoman; Black Agnes; keri; veronica; Cinnamon Girl; happygrl; MotleyGirl70; ValerieUSA; ...
....she pulled out an AK-47 rifle automatic rifle strapped to the woman’s leg and 30 rounds of ammunition tucked under her breast.

I'm not saying a word about ammo.
3 posted on 09/16/2002 5:27:55 PM PDT by swarthyguy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: swarthyguy
Guess she fails the pencil test...
4 posted on 09/16/2002 5:31:00 PM PDT by Black Agnes
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: swarthyguy
The Taliban-approved Wonder Bra.
5 posted on 09/16/2002 5:32:42 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: BOBTHENAILER
"...she pulled out an AK-47 rifle automatic rifle strapped to the woman’s leg and 30 rounds of ammunition tucked under her breast..."

Reminds me of the truck driver who stopped at the greasy spoon for a bite to eat.

The waitress was nothing short of a hag, but he was hungry, so he ordered a couple of burgers and a hot dog.

He watched as she opened the freezer, pulled out a frozen hamburger patty and slapped it under her left arm.

He continued to watch as she slapped a second patty under her right arm.

When she removed a frozen hot dog from a freezer bag and began to pull up the front of her dress, he found his voice and said, "What in Hell are you doing?"

"Defrostin' the meat," she replied.

Wracked with hunger, he shot back, "Well, I'll have the burgers... But forget about the hot dog."

Did the old burqua-broad also have a spare barrel for that Kalashnikov by any chance?

6 posted on 09/16/2002 5:52:18 PM PDT by DWSUWF
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: swarthyguy
Wonder what they are hiding in their mosques and islamic centers?
7 posted on 09/16/2002 5:55:14 PM PDT by joesnuffy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BOBTHENAILER
Perhaps the good news is that due to their culture, they (probably don't teach women how to shoot the weapons.
8 posted on 09/16/2002 6:02:01 PM PDT by Kermit
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: swarthyguy
Hall and Franc cover their hair and faces during the searches.

What is wrong with this picture? I say let them see pround, strong, and independent American women as they are. After all, what about our sensitivities, specifically those of the women MPs? Why should they have to cover their face? The Burka and facial coverings are no longer required by Afghan law, and wouldn't apply to the US military in a war zone, even if they did. I think this is taking this "sensitivity" thing a bit too far...with one caveat, if it works better, loosens more tongues or gets the Burqua Babes to turn over more weapons, they by all means ladies, cover your faces for your country, not for theirs.

9 posted on 09/16/2002 6:19:18 PM PDT by El Gato
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: El Gato
I would rather the US female military women wear either their standard uniforms, or, since they have to dress differently,(for PC sake) and are hampered by the lack of back up security, perhaps either dress as "Zena", or a "Victoria's Secrets Angel". At least they would have more ready access to their personal weapons.

Consider the phsyops factor alone....

10 posted on 09/16/2002 6:37:43 PM PDT by sarasmom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: swarthyguy; Marine Inspector; sleavelessinseattle; 2Trievers
These poor women were obviously "profiled" and had their civil rights violated! Where's Jesse! Where's McKinney! Where's Sharpton! Quick! Somebody call the ACLU! [/sarcasm].

Good work ladies!
11 posted on 09/16/2002 6:39:30 PM PDT by PsyOp
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PsyOp
Kudos to our MP women! I'm sure their fellow soldiers really viva la difference between the cultures! Carry on ladies! &;-)


12 posted on 09/16/2002 7:10:44 PM PDT by 2Trievers
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: 2Trievers
LOL! You beat me to it! I was just looking for that pic to post it here. A number of jokes come to mind as well, but I don't want to get the thread pulled.

Perhaps they can add a twist to the money for guns program that we instituted in Panama. Call it... Pantyhose for Pistols, or Teddy's for AKs. Turn in your oridinance get a free selection from the Frederick's catalog. When hubby sees what you brought him he'll forget all about playing with guns or where you stashed his ammo.
13 posted on 09/16/2002 7:38:14 PM PDT by PsyOp
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: 2Trievers
Frankly I'm getting tired of the kid glove treatment these woman get. There ain't nothing under that burka that every woman in the world don't have and they should be treated as other women at war would be. Say what you want but I'm tired of seeing them treated as goddesses (by our side) that should'nt be offended or endure being seen by mere mortal eyes. Yea, I know I'm a female dog.
14 posted on 09/16/2002 7:41:45 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: El Gato
Our forces are attempting to sway the Afghan people to our side- or atl east keep them from shooting at us. When you can convince people that you're not out to harm them or destroy their culture and such, it makes things much easier- less shooting, dying, those sorts of things. It is important that you win at least some respect from the local people. Besides, if you purposely flaunt and insult people, it only gives them that much more incentive to resist you.
15 posted on 09/16/2002 8:06:06 PM PDT by Cleburne
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: swarthyguy
Hi SG. Thanks for ping. I wonder whether men walk around in burqas to hid guns and ammo too. Or would that violate some Muslim law?

PW
16 posted on 09/16/2002 10:24:24 PM PDT by PoisedWoman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: PoisedWoman
From what i understand, nothing violates islamic "law" or theological restrictions if it furthers the jihad.

Remember this past winter when the Pakistanis nabbed a bunch of jihadis near ToraBora and some of them were undercover in burkas.
17 posted on 09/17/2002 8:46:16 AM PDT by swarthyguy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: sarasmom
No kidding.

A bunch of Chynas in thongs, pushupbras and army boots could be an awesome force. The perps would be too stunned, fascinated, attracted/"repelled"/scared; they'd probably freeze up!
18 posted on 09/17/2002 8:50:20 AM PDT by swarthyguy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: *southasia_list; *war_list
Index Bump
19 posted on 09/17/2002 9:12:49 AM PDT by Free the USA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson