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Futuristic SUV runs on hydrogen
Daily News ^ | 9/15/02 | Andrew Bridges

Posted on 09/16/2002 9:32:51 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

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We have eliminated the fat in french fries and now the fuel consumption in SUVs. Damn!
1 posted on 09/16/2002 9:32:51 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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Kewl. Nice trick, but where do we get the hydrogen?
2 posted on 09/16/2002 9:33:45 AM PDT by Petronski
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Somehow I doubt working Moms and Dad will have the $120,000 or however astronomically high the cost is to purchase one of these vehicles.
3 posted on 09/16/2002 9:37:28 AM PDT by KantianBurke
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Somehow I doubt working Moms and Dad will have the $120,000 or however astronomically high the cost is to purchase one of these vehicles.

If the big 3 would finally break free of their OPEC ties and produce alternative vehicles, they would the same cost or less.

4 posted on 09/16/2002 9:41:46 AM PDT by Shryke
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To: Petronski
Kewl. Nice trick, but where do we get the hydrogen?

Precisely.
The notion that hydrogen is an "efficient" fuel is pure malarkey.
Unlike most other fuels, it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than one can ever hope to harness by burning it.

5 posted on 09/16/2002 9:44:01 AM PDT by Willie Green
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Kewl. Nice trick, but where do we get the hydrogen?

They never seem to mention you have to use energy to break down water.

This means using a coal,natural gas or nuke to make hydrogen.

Nukes are by far the cleanest,safest choice. Had we not sabatoged nuclear technology in the 1970's we wouldn't be worried about the Middle East right now.

6 posted on 09/16/2002 9:45:15 AM PDT by AdamSelene235
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"They're also the cleanest thing going, since they spew only warm water vapor clean enough to inhale"
I can see these being big hits in the northeast in the winter time!
7 posted on 09/16/2002 9:45:41 AM PDT by falcon1
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Somehow I doubt working Moms and Dad will have the $120,000 or however astronomically high the cost is to purchase one of these vehicles.

BINGO! I looked into a "hybrid" when I was looking for a new car. Unfortunately, after doing a little math (my parents were kind enough to send me to private school, so I can do actual additional and subtraction), I found that I would have to drive the car 10+ years to save enough money on gas to justify the increased expense. And that was figuring the average price of gas would be $1.50 a gallon, which it is not in the Midwest (we have this thing called lower taxes here...it's wonderful).

But, the stupid Californians will keep acting stupid. It is their nature and purpose.

8 posted on 09/16/2002 9:50:18 AM PDT by YoungKentuckyConservative
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Kewl. Nice trick, but where do we get the hydrogen?

The irony is that the only cheap source of hydrogen is the catalytic reformation of hydrocarbons (read: fossil fuels). Still, it is much cleaner than the traditional combustion of hydrocarbons.

9 posted on 09/16/2002 9:52:11 AM PDT by tortoise
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Unlike most other fuels, it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than one can ever hope to harness by burning it.

Yea, but the cars will be 'clean'......ha ha ha ha ha

10 posted on 09/16/2002 9:53:02 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; dighton; aculeus; Orual; general_re
"The only suggestions that anything was out of the ordinary were the flame-retardant suit the Toyota engineer wore and the fuel he pumped into the Highlander: pure hydrogen."

We are sorry that we made an error in the editing of this paragraph. The model of this vehicle is not the "Highlander" , it's ...

... the Hindenburg.

11 posted on 09/16/2002 9:54:46 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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""They're also the cleanest thing going, since they spew only warm water vapor clean enough to inhale""

I thought that water vapor was a greenhouse gas.

GLOBAL WARMING ALERT! (/sarcasm .. off)

12 posted on 09/16/2002 9:56:20 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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... the Hindenburg.

AKA, Mike.

"The first H-bomb ever 'Mike' was exploded at 7.15 am local time on November 1st 1952. The mushroom cloud was 8 miles across and 27 miles high. The canopy was 100 miles wide. Radioactive mud fell out of the sky followed by heavy rain. 80 million tons of earth was vaporised. Mike was the first ever megaton yeild explosion.

13 posted on 09/16/2002 10:19:15 AM PDT by Orual
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Kewl. Nice trick, but where do we get the hydrogen?

They burn coal, oil, or gas to make steam, with much of the heat going up the chimney. They use the steam to spin turbines which turn generators which generate much wasted heat in the process. The spent steam rises from a cooling tower in a giant plume, heating the surrounding atmosphere and/or water in a nearby reservoir. The power from the generators is stepped up in voltage using lossy, heat-generating transformers. They send the power across the countryside through lossy, heat-generating power lines. They step the voltage back down to useable levels at the other end using lossy, heat-generating transformers. They use the power to seperate water into H2 and O2 and wasted heat.

Maybe they should just burn the oil or gas directly in the car. Of course, we know that is a bigger threat to this country than any terrorism.

14 posted on 09/16/2002 10:27:32 AM PDT by smokinleroy
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
They emit only water vapor and heat

Sure to make winter driving more interesting in places like Minneapolis and Denver...
15 posted on 09/16/2002 10:32:36 AM PDT by frossca
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To: Petronski
where do we get the hydrogen?

There's positively oodles of it out there. Most of it, though, is combined with oxygen... To separate them, you need a source of stored energy, which is most easily obtained in the form of coal, petroleum, natural gas, and uranium.

16 posted on 09/16/2002 10:39:22 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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Oops! Forgot to mention the lossy, heat-generating rectifiers!
17 posted on 09/16/2002 10:46:58 AM PDT by smokinleroy
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To: BlueLancer
"There is going to be an explosion of choice for consumers"

Nice choice of words...
18 posted on 09/16/2002 11:16:05 AM PDT by laker_dad
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Ever notice how the builders of these vehicles do their best to avoid specifics about range, speed and most importantly, price?
19 posted on 09/16/2002 11:29:33 AM PDT by sharktrager
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Ever notice how the builders of these vehicles do their best to avoid specifics about range, speed and most importantly, price?

What price considerations does government specify when it sets regulations?

20 posted on 09/16/2002 11:33:35 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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