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What percentage of independent parishes have you investigated to arrive at your blanket statement? If the pastor of an independent parish attempts to become "non-independent" with each bishop of the (arch)diocese in which the parish is located, is that pastor really "not in communion with Rome"? How do you define "in communion with Rome"? How about if the Pope himself recognizes the achievement and effort of this priest? How about if the priest prays sincerely daily for the local ordinary? Perhaps the situation is not as cut-and-dry or black-and-white as you like to perceive.
76 posted on 09/13/2002 9:26:06 AM PDT by ELS
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To: ELS
What percentage of independent parishes have you investigated to arrive at your blanket statement?
First of all, my “blanket statement” was hardly a blanket statement. I said two things:
Many of these independent Churches are sedevacantists, feeneyites, etc.
and
However, I have yet to find an “independent” Church that was in communion with the Pope.
The first said “MANY” not “ALL.” This is not a blanket statement. The second was a statement of my experiences, which notably omitted any claim I was talking about all independent parishes. You may wish to try to exaggerate my statements to help your argument, but don’t expect me to play along with your twisting my words.

Second, I have checked with enough I’m comfortable with the above statements, and have found no exceptions so far. Do you know of a single parish you’d like to offer, that claims independent status, is not actively negotiating to return, and yet you think is not schismatic? How about ones that are negotiating to return?

If the pastor of an independent parish attempts to become "non-independent" with each bishop of the (arch)diocese in which the parish is located, is that pastor really "not in communion with Rome"?
If the pastor is working on regularizing the situation my normal course would be to withhold comment on him. I would leave it to the Bishop. Either way, I pray he is successful, and that his ordinary will give him the flexibility to practice the traditional faith under the ordinary’s jurisdiction.
How do you define "in communion with Rome"?
LOL. In communion with the Pope, is that better? Picky, picky.
How about if the Pope himself recognizes the achievement and effort of this priest?
Isn’t one of the traditionalist critiques of this Pope that he is often to cozy with schismatics and those of other faiths? I believe he has recognized the achievement and effort of many people, many of whom are not in communion with him.
How about if the priest prays sincerely daily for the local ordinary?
I pray daily for many people, that does not mean I am in communion with them. I don’t see how this is terribly relevant. The Society priests pray for the Pope at Mass, but that doesn’t change the fact that he called that situation a schism, and his word on that is final.
Perhaps the situation is not as cut-and-dry or black-and-white as you like to perceive.
I disagree. The only situation in which it is arguably not cut and dried is in the case of the priest trying to regularize the situation, and even then one withholds comment out of charity, not necessity.

patent  +AMDG

82 posted on 09/13/2002 9:46:02 AM PDT by patent
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