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[Intel vs. AMD] Intel Rubbishes AMD's Hybrid Plans
Computerwire via Computer Business Review ^ | 9-12-2002 | Unattributed

Posted on 09/12/2002 7:46:24 AM PDT by JameRetief

Intel Rubbishes AMD's Hybrid Plans

DATE: 09/12/2002


The head of Intel Corp's server chip division rubbished AMD's 32/64-bit hybrid
processor proposition yesterday, saying that if it's such a good idea, why
hasn't anyone done it before?

Mike Fister, senior vice president and general manager of Intel's enterprise,
speaking after a keynote speech at the vendor's developer forum in San Jose,
questioned the logic of supporting both 64-bit and 32-bit computing on the same
processor. Advanced Micro Devices Inc is pushing its hybrid approach as a way
for corporations to smooth their transition from legacy 32-bit applications to
64-bit computing.

Fister said performance issues meant it was questionable whether many customers
would find much use in such an approach. "There's maybe a splinter where it
could have some value." he said. "[But] the end point where our customers have
got to get to is 64-bit."

Making the shift to 64-bit is a massive undertaking for any vendor to do, he
said, even without trying to straddle 32-bit computing as well. "If it's so
easy to do, you'd think it wouldn't have taken us so long to get to Itanium."

Meanwhile, Intel said it would keep the Itanium 2 branding for its next brace
of 64-bit processors. Madison, which represents the shift of the Itanium
architecture to a 0.13 micron manufacturing process and which features a 6MB
cache, will ship next summer, said product manager Michael Graf.

Deerfield, a lower power version of Itanium, is due to ship some time after,
but before the end of 2003. Intel says the next generation of Itanium will
offer a 1.3 to 1.5 times performance improvement over the current line.

Graf said the rollout of Madison and Deerfield will follow a similar pattern to
the earlier Itaniums, with long evaluation periods by both OEMs and customers.
"It's an artefact of the high end space," he said.
 

© Computer Business Review Online 2002


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: 32bitcompatibility; 64bit; amd; competition; intel; jealousy; techindex
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1 posted on 09/12/2002 7:46:24 AM PDT by JameRetief
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; rdb3
Seething Jealousy Ping!
2 posted on 09/12/2002 7:46:49 AM PDT by JameRetief
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To: JameRetief
Hmmm . . . if 32/64 was such a horrible, stupid idea - why wouldn't Intel just sit back and watch their rival blow itself up investing in the technology? Why issue a press release to warn them?

Maybe Intel has fallen slightly behind the curve?

3 posted on 09/12/2002 7:58:50 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: JameRetief
It must be jealousy. That's not a bad idea.
4 posted on 09/12/2002 8:00:42 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: JameRetief
The Itanic has been a flop, and people are actually excited about AMD's Hammer & SledgeHammer with NUMA.
5 posted on 09/12/2002 8:09:00 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: JameRetief
I'm working on those procs right now.

64-bit XP and Linux are running great.

Intel is shaking in their boots. Not having to port everything over to 64-bit all at once will save companies trillions and allow a much less hectic upgrade path. We've also got one hell of a set of software tools coming up for developers that should cut porting and testing for 64-bit apps to a fraction.

Quake, quiver, and bluster. Intels in trouble.

6 posted on 09/12/2002 8:11:53 AM PDT by Dead Corpse
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To: JameRetief; *tech_index; Mathlete; Apple Pan Dowdy; grundle; beckett; billorites; One More Time; ...
It seems that way doesn't it!

OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST

7 posted on 09/12/2002 8:52:08 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Dead Corpse
64-bit XP and Linux are running great.

So its no fantasy and mirrors!

However, if these babies run any hotter than my XP 2000+ they are going to have to come with their own water cooler heat sink!!

8 posted on 09/12/2002 8:54:56 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Dead Corpse
Right. Unless .NET, Java, and/or Python or Mono take off as virtual machine environments that let you not care about the instruction set, IA32/64 is the way to go. Itanium does not add enough value to be worth a new instruction set.
11 posted on 09/12/2002 10:29:35 AM PDT by eno_
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To: A tall man in a cowboy hat
"What is the best motherbord out right now for AMD proccessors?"

I'm wondering the same thing.
12 posted on 09/12/2002 11:13:00 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: eno_
Are you a python developer? I have been learning it. I hope it becomes more widely used
13 posted on 09/12/2002 11:19:47 AM PDT by Fellow Traveler
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To: Dead Corpse
BUMP
14 posted on 09/12/2002 12:00:47 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
However, if these babies run any hotter than my XP 2000+ they are going to have to come with their own water cooler heat sink!!

Already out there. I forget the name of the manufacturer, but I've seen a case with water cooling. Well, its not actually water but a non-conductive liquid coolant. It has tubing going to processor, memory, and power supply (I think) and maybe to a harddrive bay, with two fans on top of the case (tower design). It is extremely quiet! Pretty cool (no pun intended) design. It will run you around $200 though.

15 posted on 09/12/2002 12:16:05 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: dalereed; A tall man in a cowboy hat
What is the best motherbord out right now for AMD proccessors?" IMHO Asus, For at least the 32 bit chips, and I think they now support the new 32/64 chips as well.
16 posted on 09/12/2002 12:18:50 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: JameRetief
...saying that if it's such a good idea, why hasn't anyone done it before?

Well, that's right. I know a bunch of you guys are scoffers, but it's true. He is talking about powered flight, right?

17 posted on 09/12/2002 12:23:26 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: dalereed
I am putting one together with a GIgabyte MB, But heat and USB 2.0 are slowing things down!
18 posted on 09/12/2002 12:24:20 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: JameRetief
Ya just knew Intel was going down the tubes when they decided to be a MP3/Digital Camera/Toy Company as well.
19 posted on 09/12/2002 12:25:18 PM PDT by Oschisms
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To: A tall man in a cowboy hat
There are a number of good ones check out some of the people doing heavy overclocking! I can give you some links later tonight!
20 posted on 09/12/2002 12:25:56 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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