Zogby Slams Reports of Celebrating Arabs as "Urban Legends" (MAJOR BARF!)

NBC television | September 11, 2001 | who knows what evil?

[who knows what evil?]

Did anyone happen to see the segment of 'America Remembers' featuring James Zogby and John McCain between 2:30 and 3:00 p.m.? If so, I can imagine you are as FURIOUS as I am right at the moment! Brokaw was speaking with a gentleman who had lost in wife in the World Trade Center holocaust last September 11th. He was angry with the "silence = consent" attitude of the Muslim community toward the murder of over 3,000 Amercans at this time last year. He cited a poll indicating that "90% of Muslims blame America" for creating the international climate of tension that led to this act of terror. He further expressed his outrage over reports that Palestinians/Muslims/Arabs had been dancing in the streets and handing out candy in celebration of what Osama and his depraved minions had carried out in New York, Washington, and Pennsylvania. In addition, he mentioned that he had friends who had witnessed this in Patterson, New Jersey; among other locations. Having seen the pictures myself, I flew into a rage when I heard James Zogby (representing the Arab-American Institute) debunk these stories as "urban legends". He told the studio audience that these reports were NOT TRUE! Mr. Zogby, you are a lying b*stard, and you know it. To imply that this recent widower is laboring under the delusion of an "urban legend" when those of us who have seen actual photos of these celebrations is an unspeakable outrage. Did anyone else see this? Unbelievable!

[Mamzelle]

Happened in my town, at a rather well known sandwich franchise. As a matter of fact, right afterwards I was startled to learn just how many fastfodd joints in my community are owned by one very large ME family.

[Djarum]

In the first week after 9/11 I recall several witnesses who complained of Arabs celebrating the attacks in their neighborhood. Ricki Lake dedicated a show to one such individual (IIRC, from an NYC borough) who needed to 'understand' Muslims, and ignore the elation.

[Charles Martel]

Zogby is a prevaricating sack of manure.

There were most certainly Muslim celebrations, even within the U.S. (there was at least one college campus incident that was hushed-up quickly).

Hey, Zogby... THIS is an example of Urban Legend, mm-kay?:

[texasbluebell]

Just found a couple of other photos from that day, in searching google.

Palestinian children in eastern Jerusalem celebrating news of the terror attacks in the United States. link

Some Palestinians in Lebanon celebrated the attacks link

[Right Wing Professor]

This is a little too much special pleading. There clearly was open celebration in Palestine, in Lebanon, and elsewher in the Arab world post 9/11. The PA clearly tried to prevent filming of these celebrations, and it did appear to try to stage some 'mourning' events to counter the initial impression. To deny these is as bad as those who are trying to claim photos of US celebrations have been 'disappeared'.

Perhaps some Palestinians did mourn, and perhaps some of the mourning even went beyond a rational but self-interested consideration that 9/11 would hurt the Palestinians. But there was no conspicuous reaction in Palestine to the initial celebrations, no revulsion.

I have no doubt a minority of Germans in 1941 were active Nazis, and most Germans wished the war over. But the fact is, that when you're at war with Germany, the fact that all Germans don't hate you is irrelevant.

[Howlin]

I saw it! That show did NOT turn out to be at all what I thought it was going to be. It was UGLY.

Did you see the ones where the families were DEMANDING money? I tell you what, if the whole country could see that, I believe they'd change their minds about those people!

[Howlin]

Send those to Zogby.

[texasbluebell]

Okay, here's a link to an article from that Canadian source that has 2 of these photos from 911.

link

[Burkeman1]

They were horribly staged events put on by Arafat and the PA government. The PA police were even deployed to stop the widespread celebrations because they knew the effect it would have on US opinion. It is indicitive that every time one of the suicide bombers blows up civilians in Isreal they run around in the streets cheering. Contrast that to when the Isrealis kill civilians- they debate it- they apologize for it- they fight with each over it- but Ihave yet to see any Isrealis celebrate the deaths of Palestinian civilians (except for one group of Jewish fanatics that made a hero out of that whacko who killed like 30 people in a mosque several years ago.) Funny- but even the NAzi's didn't publically celebrate their horrendous crimes.

[The Person]

Thanks. I think your concerns are very important. I was linking what others said were pictures of the celebrations. I appreciate the additional info.

[mewzilla]

With respect, what is at issue here isn't what percentage of Palestinians were celebrating. It's why John Zogby denied the celebrations. And I think we know why Zogby did it.

[who knows what evil?]

They seem to conclude that stories about Arab-American celebrations in the US are largely false, but stories about Arabs celebrating in the Mid-East are certainly true.

I'm glad you raised this point, because you and 'nicks bad seed' are responsible for jogging an old man's memory. I am really embarrassed. My wife and I attended the Patriot's Day Rally in Washington this past April. The DC Chapter had set up a huge collage of posters along the sidewalk facing Constitution Avenue. These posters depicted photos of the WTC/Pentagon holocaust; the jets slamming into the buildings, my fellow Americans falling to a grisly death from 1000 feet in the air, and so forth. Over the course of the day, hundreds of Palestinian/Arab demonstrators (along with many others) stopped to have their photos taken next to these posters. Expressions of regret and sadness on their faces? Yeah, right. Arms around each other, big smiles on their faces, celebratory fists pumping in the air, chants of "Death to America!" and "Death to Israel!" filling the air. Some of the other comments I won't repeat. Now if they were STILL in a celebratory mood eight months after the event itself, I think it is safe to assume that these folks were positively GIDDY on September 11, 2001.

Thanks for the reminder. Do Palestinians/Arabs, and others celebrate what happened on September 11, 2001? You bet they do. I am an EYEWITNESS, my wife is an eyewitness, and members of the DC Chapter are eyewitnesses.

[Right Wing Professor]

Over the course of the day, hundreds of Palestinian/Arab demonstrators (along with many others) stopped to have their photos taken next to these posters. Expressions of regret and sadness on their faces? Yeah, right. Arms around each other, big smiles on their faces, celebratory fists pumping in the air, chants of "Death to America!" and "Death to Israel!" filling the air. Some of the other comments I won't repeat.

Despicable. I would have been unable to restrain myself.

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

"...With respect, what is at issue here isn't what percentage of Palestinians were celebrating. It's why John Zogby denied the celebrations....

Really? I thought what was at issue here was Arab celebrations.

How usettling that I was stupid enough not to realize that "all Arabs" would automatically mean "Palestinians".

Of course, when a black professor referrs to "European" he means to indicate that ALL persons of European descent share an identical vision, an identical history, an identicle religious outlook.

And of course, he means to spit upon the graves of ALL our European ancestors......

[Red Jones]

Zogby's an ass... his polls are now worthless to me at least

[SantosLHalper]

I saw it! That show did NOT turn out to be at all what I thought it was going to be. It was UGLY. Did you see the ones where the families were DEMANDING money? I tell you what, if the whole country could see that, I believe they'd change their minds about those people!

Yeah I watched pretty much the whole thing. It was ugly. Except for the two brothers(servicemen) one in the studio and the other in Afghanistan, that was pretty cool.

Did you see the ones where the families were DEMANDING money?

They were reaming that guy Feinberg(?) for no reason about the victims fund and I kept yelling at the TV that their beloved Sen.Hitlery was one of those responsible for the way the bill was constructed. Then one lady tried to blame Ashcroft and then Feinberg(?) jumped in her $h!t.

[texasbluebell]

Not just Palestinians celebrating.

Bulls-eye say Egyptians as they celebrate anti-US attacks

< snip >

Bulls-eye say Egyptians as they celebrate anti-US attacks

By Lamia Radi CAIRO

STORY WAS CENSORED FROM THIS WEEK'S EDITION

Egyptian students, taxi drivers and shopkeepers crowded round television sets stacked up in electrical store windows in downtown Cairo September 11, celebrating a string of elaborate attacks on New York and Washington.

"Bullseye," commented two taxi drivers as they watched footage of the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York shrouded in plumes of smoke after two presumably hijacked planes slammed into them earlier in the day.

< snip >

[who knows what evil?]

Thanks for all the great photos! They will save me the time of digging around and trying to assemble them in one spot. I will be e-mailing this thread along to the appropriate parties in the near future, and I will also be forwarding it along to those in my address book who may be interested in this topic, as well.

On a side note; G-d bless the internet! Ten years ago, our socialist media would have been able to bury photos like this, and no one would have had the documentation necessary to help refute Mr. Zogby's statement. No one would have been the wiser.

[adam stevens]

This is repulsive but to be expected from scum like Zogby.

[Timesink]

Don't take this as undeniable fact (and I'm not aiming this statement at you, Cacique, I just picked your post at random out of this thread), because I was doing three things at once while Zogby and the audience were interacting. But I could have sworn I heard Zogby say he was talking about Arab protests in American cities, not overseas. And in his defense, he did say flat-out, the attacks were evil and sick and everyone involved in planning and executing said plans was evil and sick, whether they were Arabs or not. And he said it in a fashion that offered him no wriggle room out with any "excepts" or "sort ofs."

Anyone here got a Burelle's account, or LexisNexis, that could get us the actual transcript?