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Ex-astronaut Aldrin accused of punching man
CNN ^ | September 10, 2002

Posted on 09/11/2002 10:32:28 AM PDT by TomB

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:01:14 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

BEVERLY HILLS, California (Reuters) -- A man who publicly confronted astronaut Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin over whether he actually went to the moon said that the Apollo 11 hero almost sent him into space with a punch to the jaw.

Bart Sibrel, an independent filmmaker from Nashville, Tennessee, said he was trying to conduct an ambush interview with Aldrin outside a hotel in Beverly Hills when the astronaut punched him and ran away.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: apollo11; bartsibrel; buzzaldrin; hat; idiot; moron; punchhimharder; tinfoil; wearing
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To: Orual
Glad you're reassured that it's just gossip from some silly woman. Rose-colored space helmet firmly back in place, thanks to the careful Hollywoodization by some Democrat bureaucrats at Nasa...
121 posted on 09/12/2002 8:22:52 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: general_re
Buzz punches a nuisance, and a thread in FR starts in ecstacies over the Old Astronaut Warrior. Astronaut as celebrity. It might have shown a little wisdom to ignore the jerk and avoid giving him that much more publicity. Then the odes to the glories of Ted Baxter. It's more than Mary can stand.
122 posted on 09/12/2002 8:26:21 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: general_re; dighton; aculeus
Am I missing something?

I quote from the source: As a means of comparison, think of that great old sitcom, the Mary Tyler Moore show. The newsroom consisted of management , creative staff and hardworking technicians. But the face of it was Ted Baxter.

It should all be perfectly clear now. Can't understand how you missed it.

123 posted on 09/12/2002 8:27:48 AM PDT by Orual
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To: Mamzelle
Keep digging. Give us a yell once you've struck China.
124 posted on 09/12/2002 8:30:24 AM PDT by dighton
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To: Mamzelle; Orual; dighton; aculeus
It might have shown a little wisdom to ignore the jerk and avoid giving him that much more publicity.

From the article:

The encounter with Aldrin was Sibrel's third...

How many times would you have him deal with this crackpot? Would it satisfy your sense of outrage at NASA if it were a weekly event? Daily?

It's more than Mary can stand.

Mary needs to get out of the house more...

125 posted on 09/12/2002 8:35:45 AM PDT by general_re
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To: Orual
Can't understand how you missed it.

Ah. What was I thinking? It's all his fault...

We're gonna make it after aaaallllll...

126 posted on 09/12/2002 8:40:21 AM PDT by general_re
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To: Orual
OK--I'll walk you through the metaphor. Think of it as "irony training".

The running laff on the MTM show, though you wouldn't catch it if you're too young to remember, was how Ted got all the glory and all he did was manage to read the news that a staff writer (Murray) wrote for him. Some of the time, he didn't even manage to read the news right, and then the sound crew and cameraman helped him out.

Nasa had better than Ted to work with, but the fact remains that the fliers lived a life of training to operate equipment, innovative equipment, that others designed, built and tested. When the fliers managed to work the equipment that they were trained for years to operate, the public and wannabe astronauts could scarcely contain the joy at such accomplishment. Think of how frustrated Murray and Lou and Mary were at times, which also provided much of the newsroom humor.

How is it that people get it in their minds that Dan Rather makes and writes the news? He just reads it, and manages to distort it. Yet, some magic takes place in much of the audience that somehow Dan makes it all happen. The support staff in Houston knew all too well that the astronauts operated equipment, but the responsibility for the mission was the burden of the ground crew.

How the people on ground in Houston chewed their nails just in hopes that the astronauts wouldn't wreck the fragile merchandise before they had a chance to use it.

127 posted on 09/12/2002 8:46:56 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: general_re
Mary does need to get out of the house more--.

And I'm not outraged, YOU are, at my temerity to say, "They were little more than passengers." I'd like to add..."They were little more than trained passengers." Many trained for years and never flew--no glory for *them*.

Three times a charm...now the crackpot has an issue.

128 posted on 09/12/2002 8:50:28 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle; Orual; dighton; aculeus
Nasa Ford had better than Ted ordinary drivers to work with, but the fact remains that the fliers drivers lived a life of training to operate equipment, innovative equipment, that others designed, built and tested. When the fliers drivers managed to work the equipment that they were trained for years to operate, the public and wannabe astronauts drivers could scarcely contain the joy at such accomplishment. Think of how frustrated Murray and Lou and Mary were Henry Ford was at times...

Congratulations - you've discovered that some people make good engineers, while others make good drivers. Oh, the injustice. How horribly unfair it is that trained chimps like you and I are allowed to fondle the brilliant equipment that the Olympian giants in Detroit have brought to us. Who are we, sullying their brilliant creations, and praising ourselves for our monkey achievements, as though we were somehow worthy to set foot in such a pinnacle of engineering?

129 posted on 09/12/2002 8:58:06 AM PDT by general_re
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To: dighton
re: struck China

Oh, that's John Glenn's purview. His and Bernie Schartz's and Loral. And Clinton gave him a Last Free Joy Ride on the shuttle for his pains. That's when I gave up on the airborne bums once and for all. Right Stuff, bah!

130 posted on 09/12/2002 8:59:48 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: dighton; aculeus; general_re
See #127. I may have to resign from the club, I'm obviously metaphor-myasthenic, simile-senile, and analogy-anemic. It is a waste to have a mind and not use it, or something like that. Guess I'll have rent some old Mary Tyler Moore videos and study as hard as I can until I get it. I know that Rhoda was fat and then lost weight and got very thin. Does that have something to do with it? Please, someone help this idiot.
131 posted on 09/12/2002 9:01:50 AM PDT by Orual
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To: general_re


Yeah, I think it's pretty shabby that all the spinoff wonders that the space program provided for us as we bicker in cyberspace ( also thanks to those same technicians) goes unsung while some preening jockeys (who I happen to know are pretty thin on the substance side) get the credit. Even Cris Craft is forgotten. You celebrate the passengers, and I'll do honor to those who made their ride possible.
132 posted on 09/12/2002 9:06:16 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: TomB
If only more people in this country had the guts to do this to media a-holes, things might be a lot different.
133 posted on 09/12/2002 9:07:37 AM PDT by jpl
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To: Mamzelle; Orual; dighton; aculeus
Yeah, I think it's pretty shabby that all the spinoff wonders that the space program provided for us as we bicker in cyberspace ( also thanks to those same technicians) goes unsung while some preening jockeys (who I happen to know are pretty thin on the substance side) get the credit.

All a bunch of chimps, I know - the brilliant engineers just load the hairy little bastard into the capsule, lob him up there, and catch him on the way back down. If your local bus company killed as many passengers, percentage-wise, as NASA did with its "passengers", you'd hang those engineers from a tree. How many NASA engineers died for the space program, Mme?

134 posted on 09/12/2002 9:19:30 AM PDT by general_re
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To: Verginius Rufus
I don't think it was so much a case of pulling rank since Armstrong was a civilian - but from a PR standpoint, NASA felt it was in the best interest of the program not to have the GI go first.
135 posted on 09/12/2002 9:36:42 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Mamzelle
Sorry Mamzelle - I think you're offbase. Pick up a copy of "Lost Moon" by Jim Lovell, or Glenn's autobiography. My favorite line from that one was his comment that during the landing of the shuttle, "The last time I saw a runway from this angle I was dropping bombs on it".
136 posted on 09/12/2002 9:40:13 AM PDT by stormer
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To: general_re
Your abbrev. is short for "Madame"-- would be "Mlle" but I've corrupted the word to annoy the French.

Astronauts have lost much cachet, so perhaps I shouldn't cavil. Sort of like the Kennedys. Nobody cares about the shuttlenots, launches are only televised after the fact and much edited, and unmanned exploratory craft were always a better buy, anyway. If a self-indulgent rich guy can buy a ride, riding isn't something that important anymore.

Once again, you equate thrill-seeking and risk-taking with courage, to which I'd observe is a shallow attitude. I'd find more to admire in an astronaut if I'd ever seen one buck Nasa authority. Here's another story...you know why Nasa started arranging some of the conjugal visits? The noughts wouldn't sleep with their wives, wouldn't even kiss them. They were TERRIFIED of catching colds. It's awful hard to blow your nose in a space suit, so they'd scratch any who came down with any infection. The flier, once clued that he was part of a planned crew, would immediately avoid all contact with his family. Nasa did not approve, so they'd try to well--encourage things along.

137 posted on 09/12/2002 9:41:18 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: TomB
Bart Sibrel, an independent filmmaker from Nashville, Tennessee, said he was trying to conduct an ambush interview with Aldrin outside a hotel in Beverly Hills when the astronaut punched him

Sibrel is the definition of "kooky", a kook with a swollen jaw that is....

138 posted on 09/12/2002 9:43:47 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: stormer
If you admire Glenn, what can be said? After watching him tank the inquiry into the sale of all that weapons technology to China by DNC donors, then accept three million in campaign loan forgiveness, then accept a joyride from the Clintons...well, again, what can be said? It might not be us who has to face the Chinese, just our kids and grandkids. As for Lovell, I mentioned him earlier, and you can review. Exceptions prove the rule.
139 posted on 09/12/2002 9:45:28 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
Nobody cares about the shuttlenots, launches are only televised after the fact and much edited, and unmanned exploratory craft were always a better buy, anyway.

So long as those brilliant engineers remember how to perform metric-to-english conversions, and don't augur the thing into, say, the surface of Mars. Not that such a thing could ever actually happen, though...

Once again, you equate thrill-seeking and risk-taking with courage, to which I'd observe is a shallow attitude.

Ah, that's all it is, then - thrill-seeking? Where's the thrill there? Haven't those masterful engineers figured out how not to blow astronauts up yet?

I'd find more to admire in an astronaut if I'd ever seen one buck Nasa authority.

Right. Like how NASA and Thiokol engineers bucked authority to have Challenger scrubbed. Thank God for their willingness to buck authority - someone might have been killed if that launch had gone off as scheduled...

140 posted on 09/12/2002 9:55:09 AM PDT by general_re
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