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Pilots' Group Wants Transportation Secretary Fired
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 9/09/02 | Jeff Johnson

Posted on 09/09/2002 3:46:56 AM PDT by kattracks

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - The airline pilots' group that proposed arming commercial airline pilots with handguns wants Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta fired for his opposition to the plan.

"Secretary Mineta's opposition to arming pilots is not based in reason, but is based upon an emotional and visceral aversion to firearms in the hands of anyone but federal agents," said Capt. Tracy Price, chairman of the Airline Pilots Security Alliance (APSA).

APSA began working almost immediately after the Sept. 11 attacks to promote measures authorizing properly trained pilots, who complete training and background checks, to carry handguns onboard their planes for self-defense.

Legislation to that effect, Sen. Bob Smith's (R-N.H.) Arming Pilots Against Terrorism and Cabin Defense Act of 2002 (S. 2554), was amended to homeland security legislation Thursday by a vote of 87 to 6.

The pilots' group also promoted similar legislation in the House, the Arming Pilots Against Terrorism Act (H.R. 4635), which passed July 10 by a vote of 310 to 113.

Mineta has consistently opposed arming pilots with any lethal weapons.

"I don't feel that we should have lethal weapons in the cockpit," he said at a March 4 press conference.

Mineta has also argued that implementing such a program would be cost prohibitive.

"I don't want to be in the position of having armed pilots and then all of the sudden facing a bill of $850-900 million in terms of the start-up costs, the training, getting the weapons for 85,000 pilots, and then doing the $250-$260 million in annual costs to do quarterly recurrent training," he told the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee July 25.

Price scoffed at the alleged costs.

"These figures are ridiculously over-inflated and Secretary Mineta knows it," he said. "Many highly-qualified firearms training institutions have said this training can be accomplished for less than $1,500 per pilot."

Assuming 60,000 of the 85,000 eligible pilots apply and pass a background investigation, Price estimated the actual costs for the program would be only $110 million, including the purchase price of the firearms. Annual re-certification costs would be one-tenth to one-fifth that amount.

Mineta's bias against firearms in civilian hands, Price speculated, is motivating his alleged inflation of cost estimates.

"He is attempting to undermine a highly cost-effective program that will provide real security to the traveling public," he said.

Price said Mineta should have stepped down from his post when Congress passed the first legislation to arm pilots, to which Mineta also objected.

"An honorable man would have resigned long ago," Price said. "It is time for President Bush to replace Secretary Mineta with a leader who ... will work in good faith with pilot groups to implement an armed pilot program."

Calls to the Department of Transportation requesting comment for this story were not returned.

Chronology of the Armed Pilot Debate



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To: Dante3
Wonder why Bush has been determined to hold on to anyone this incompetent?

I vote for Mary Schiavo as a replacement. She has been outspoken of this problem before 911 and has been speaking about the inadequate 'fixes' that have been put in place since then. I found this article written by her on google - here (though I don't like her views on use of biometrics).
21 posted on 09/09/2002 7:21:36 AM PDT by tang-soo
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To: thatsnotnice
I don't agree with you. If you came to my (locked) front door and started banging on it and yelling that you wanted to take control of my house, do you think I would open the door to shoot you? No, the moment you attemtped to turn the door handle, I would estimate where you were standing and shoot through the door.

What makes you think that the pilots are going to wait until a hijacker actually opens the door? As soon as they hear someone trying to get through that cockpit door without first calling on the interphone I would expect that they will have their weapons in their hands and be calling the stewardess to verify what is going on.

22 posted on 09/09/2002 7:37:28 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: thatsnotnice
So, the training scenerio had guys breaking down the locked cockpit door and pilots did not hear the noise and get their guns out before the guys broke through the door? They must have gotten trought the locked door pretty fast, or extremely quietly. Seems to me in pilots would have enough time to unholster their guns in the time between when they heard someone banging on the door and the time the door is broken enought to let the hijacker through. If not, maybe a couple metal bars behind the door would help.
23 posted on 09/09/2002 7:41:56 AM PDT by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: thatsnotnice
It’s not a trust issue. It’s an issue of spending a ton of money on a program that is “voluntary” and creates a semi-federalized private employee classification while accomplishing nothing.

If you want pilots to “defend” the cockpit you will have to seal them in like tuna in a can because trained attackers will overrun them whether they are armed or not if they can access them. They can still access them, BTW.

Nonsense. The cost can be next to nothing. Let the pilots buy their own guns, and let them get their own training. If you want to go whole hog, make up a lesson plan for a 8 hour course and distribute it to the network of police and private firearms trainers already out there. He11, most of them would volunteer their time.

Allowning the pilots to be armed complicates the planning for a plane takeover enormously. Even a lightly fortified door makes it just about impossible to get into the cabin without getting killed when you don't have access to firearms or explosives. Even with firearms or explosives, the most likely event is the downing of the plane, which doesn't give you much you couldn't have got without taking over the cockpit.

If we make part of the safety breifing the information that the passengers are responsible to secure the passenger area while the crew are responsible for securing the cockpit, the possibility of another plane takeover is reduced to almost nothing.

24 posted on 09/09/2002 8:02:38 PM PDT by marktwain
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