Muslim kills virgin daughter over sex claims

Sydney Sunday Telegraph-- ^ | September 8, 2002 | Sydney Sunday Telegraph--

[montag813]

They can't blame it on Israel. Well they could try to blame Israel somehow....

If it really gets out of hand, they will concoct a story of an Israeli boat which sails around the Mideast, docking and raping Muslim women and then sailing off. It is part of the fleet with the Israeli boat which kidnaps Arab children and steals their organs.

[Lurker]

I blame you religion because this kind of crap happens all over the Muslim world. That along with mutilating the genitals of female children, treating them as chattel property, not allowing them to vote, not allowing them to drive, and driving them back into burning buildings because their heads weren't sufficiently covered.

I blame your religion because your Imams scream for the blood of Americans, Jews, Christians, and well, anyone who doesn't think exactly like they do.

I blame your religion because your 'holy book' says it's perfectly alright to make slaves of 'infidels' or to 'chop off their heads and their hands' if we decide we don't want to be Muslim.

I blame your religion because your 'prophet' was a syphilitic pedophile who celebrated the murder of a pregnant woman who 'doubted' him.

Islam isn't a religion. It's an insane death cult that's become a cancer on civilized society.

L

[Mr. Mojo]

"I am muslim by religion, but i believe that i understand it right"

No, but Winston Churchill sure did:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. "

- Winston Churchill

[ClearBlueSky]

Let me be the first to THANK you for trolling this board, in the name of your barbarian death-cult, as a new member! I will not waste this opportunity.
First- Polite! My, that means so much more than anything else,doesn't it? IMPORTANT things like, beheadings, torture,erasure of other religions and cultures,mutilation of your women,and honor killings are fine- but be impolite and the average Muslim can't stand it! They are 'disturbed' and driven into frothing rages.Why is that? Why is it that terrible things that revulse the rest of humanity disturb the Muslim mind not at all, whereas a word, a look, or perceived 'disrespect' raises instant blood lust? Care to answer that? Think that's normal?
What, exactly, does NOT earn death in the eyes of Islam?
And honor-killings...why blame the religion? Jordanian law doesn't call for honor-killings? What does? The higher law- Islam! Open your filthy Koran. Read. Or- ask your local maniac imam what it says re. women and 'honor' and the disposability of your OWN FAMILY for your super-sensitive sense of 'honor'. And why is it that the WOMEN can't do the same if they are dishonored by cheating husbands? Why does the Muslim sense of 'honor' only mean death for females? Wanna go there? Neutrality isn't what is needed here- FACTS are.
The FACT is your 'religion' not only permits, but demands the death of all non Islamics unless they submit to the death-cult; and it is obsessed with death. It is not the Christian or Buddhist or any other religion teaching its followers to kill their own family members for 'honor', it is YOURS!
The Koran is your problem. You can't live by it and not be blamed for what it says.And even if you wanted to change it, some other Muslim would kill you for trying- so you're stuck!
It's just too bad that Islam doesn't throw some huge, Jim-Jones type of party the world over to celebrate its love of death by mass suicide. It would save time, and the planet would be much better off.
If you're going to follow, and admit to following, a 'religion' whose SCRIPTURE calls for death and evil- don't be surprised if people believe you are what it is.

[najida]

Honor killings are an Arab tribal custom, not a Muslim religious tradition. S0me Palestinian Christian father did the same thing to his daughter a while back. The practice, common among poor, backward Arabs, transcends religious beliefs.

Exactly. Like cars on blocks in the front yard are redneck, not a particular religion (and I'm speaking as someone who grew up with LOTS of neighbors with cars on blocks).

It's a mark of low class and ignorance.

[Dust in the Wind]

Please read Tom Delays speech


LINK please??

[Issaquahking]

Maybe you should get a clue here...at The religion of peace.com

 

    

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Gotta go take a couple of pills to keep me from posting in a postal manner...

[chudogg]

Honor killings are an Arab tribal custom, not a Muslim religious tradition. S0me Palestinian Christian father did the same thing to his daughter a while back. The practice, common among poor, backward Arabs, transcends religious beliefs.

Yet the vast majority are among Muslim. I have spent the time since your post trying to find hard statistics on Honor Killings in terms of Country of Origin and Religion, yet i have found it futile. We can argue all day anecdotally but common sense will dictate that Islam and Honor Killings correlate.

You make a chicken or the egg arguement - which came first: Islam, or the backwards decaying culture it grips?

[expatguy]

In all honesty, I do see America losing it's freedom in the years ahead and drifting to a more authoritative style of democracy something akin to Malaysia or Singapore.

I've seen what type of government is required to keep Islamic fascism in check - and it is not an American-style of democracy. An American style of democracy both ironically and sadly provides a fertile ground for take Islamic fascism to take root and grow.

I really don't think that many Americans back home are able to fully comprehend that Islam is as much a political ideology and form of government as it is a religion.

How many of you here actually knew that The Quran is not just a religious book, but is the actual Constitution of Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries?

Reflect on that for a while and you might be able to understand what danger we are in. Our entire way of life is at stake - and up to now we have done nothing to address the real problem.

It is our "religious freedom" that actually clouds our perception and makes it almost impossible for us as a nation to fillet the politcal aspects of Islam from the religious aspects of Islam.

If we wouldn't allow a so voodoo religion to chop off chicken heads and make human sacrifices then why would we allow one that is the antithesis of freedom and democracy?

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

[SauronOfMordor]

The thrust of his book was that while during the 10th through the 15th century the Arabs' were the world leaders in science and math, they fell behind due to two main causes.

A bigger cause: Islam is inherently parasitic. Islam expanded as long as they were conquering civilized areas that could provide a fresh supply of loot plus slaves who knew how to run a civilization. Islam's decline occured when their advances were halted at the gates of Vienna in the east, and rolled back in Spain in the West. In Asia, they had conquered India, but were unable to advance further to China.

Islam is focused on warriors looting. Once the looting is halted, it falls inward on itself. Warriors have immense status in Islam -- engineers, scientists, and craftsmen do not

I dispute the politically-correct dreck on denying women a place in the workplace. The West did not have significant participation of women in the workplace until the 1940's, and we got along just fine, thank you very much. If anything, women focusing on careers rather than children is what is causing the decline of Europe, and its conversion into Eurabia. A civilization that does not focus a lot of attention and care to the production and raising of the next generation is on the edge of its own death

[SauronOfMordor]

He broke his word to maintain his "honour"

In Islamic cultures, the word which keeps getting translated as "honor" is more like the Japanese concept of "face" than the Western concept of honor. A Muslim who maintains an image of "one who is not to be messed with" has "Islamic honor". Something like inner-city thugs who don't like to be "dissed".

Illustrative is this item from the Sunnah:

Sa'd bin Ubada said, "If I found a man with my wife, I would kill him with the sharp side of my sword." When the Prophet heard that he said, "Do you wonder at Sa'd's sense of ghira (self-respect)? Verily, I have more sense of ghira than Sa'd, and Allah has more sense of ghira than I."

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

[SauronOfMordor]

It's a mark of low class and ignorance.

Mohammod was a man of low class and ignorance. It shows in the religion he founded. Just read the silly Qu'ran. You can also read my post 51, with an excerpt from the Sunnah (sayings of Mohammod, which occupies a similar place in Islamic lore that the Talmud occupies in Jewish lore).

Take a look at the rest of the Sunnah here. Especially see chapter 52 on Jihaad

[txhurl]

Exactly. Clitorectomies = bad; throatectomies = cultural tradition.

[Oztrich Boy]

In Islamic cultures, the word which keeps getting translated as "honor" is more like the Japanese concept of "face" than the Western concept of honor A Muslim who maintains an image of "one who is not to be messed with" has "Islamic honor". Something like inner-city thugs who don't like to be "dissed".

True. But, why bring it up now, 3 years later?:^)

[Hildy]

Unfortunately, they procreate like crazy.

[opinion]

I would like to thank you so much for spending all that time explaining to me how barbarian is my religion, but for the start i would like to assure you -SIR- that my goal is NOT to vindicate islam.

and to be clear and away from any doubts I admit that I belive in god and I dont belive in any religions.

As a start I would like to try to answer your questions and also correct some of your claims, because I understand Arabic and I know how to read quraan in the right way and not as those Imams (main reason of making arabs looks BARBARIAN)do:
where does islam or any part of quraan says that women should be killed for what you and others (trying to jestify their crimes) called honor crime?

there is no such thing. so thats one proof that you are talking without knowledge. isnt that what BARBARIANS DO?
where does Islam ask for INSTANT BLOOD LUST??? IT
DOES NOT.
And honor-killings...why blame the religion? Jordanian law doesn't call for honor-killings? What does? That was your sentence ..... Yes SIR Jordanian law does NOT call for honor-killing. and my FILTHY KORAN also does NOT, at least thats what i think, so why dont you tell me where it says that exactly? but you know! if my FILTHY KORAN does not approve or call for honor-killing then you are just accusing it with filth while its not, which could be seen as: YOUR FILTHY MIND IS ACCUSING OTHERS WITH FILTH BECAUSE ALL OF WHAT IS INSIDE IT IS FILTH, I believe I am fair because i didnt accuse you and I am just asking for a proof.

your qustion was: What, exactly, does NOT earn death in the eyes of Islam? why dont we change the question to: What exactly DOES earn death in the eyes of Islam? and the answer will be:
1- murder. 2- MARRIED female or MALe afer cheating. NOTHING ELSE.

I belive that those were the FACTS you asked for, But iam still nuetral.

Would you please direct me to the part of Islam where it DEMANDS or PERMIT death for all non muslims? BSESSED People kill for what they call honor. just compare the percentage of honor killing in jordan to the percentage of the females who were killed after being raped in the usa, and please let me and others know the percentage and -of course- combined with your explanations. and that would be FACTS I believe!!!!

I am assuring you that I am not defensing Islam, I just gave you some FACTS you asked for.
I live in my personal believes and its way too far
from nations and way too much into people and IT is what I am.

[opinion]

I would like to thank you so much for spending all that time explaining to me how barbarian is my religion, but for the start i would like to assure you -SIR- that my goal is NOT to vindicate islam.

and to be clear and away from any doubts I admit that I belive in god and I dont belive in any religions.

As a start I would like to try to answer your questions and also correct some of your claims, because I understand Arabic and I know how to read quraan in the right way and not as those Imams (main reason of making arabs looks BARBARIAN)do:
where does islam or any part of quraan says that women should be killed for what you and others (trying to jestify their crimes) called honor crime?

there is no such thing. so thats one proof that you are talking without knowledge. isnt that what BARBARIANS DO?
where does Islam ask for INSTANT BLOOD LUST??? IT
DOES NOT.
And honor-killings...why blame the religion? Jordanian law doesn't call for honor-killings? What does? That was your sentence ..... Yes SIR Jordanian law does NOT call for honor-killing. and my FILTHY KORAN also does NOT, at least thats what i think, so why dont you tell me where it says that exactly? but you know! if my FILTHY KORAN does not approve or call for honor-killing then you are just accusing it with filth while its not, which could be seen as: YOUR FILTHY MIND IS ACCUSING OTHERS WITH FILTH BECAUSE ALL OF WHAT IS INSIDE IT IS FILTH, I believe I am fair because i didnt accuse you and I am just asking for a proof.

your qustion was: What, exactly, does NOT earn death in the eyes of Islam? why dont we change the question to: What exactly DOES earn death in the eyes of Islam? and the answer will be:
1- murder. 2- MARRIED female or MALe afer cheating. NOTHING ELSE.

I belive that those were the FACTS you asked for, But iam still nuetral.

Would you please direct me to the part of Islam where it DEMANDS or PERMIT death for all non muslims? BSESSED People kill for what they call honor. just compare the percentage of honor killing in jordan to the percentage of the females who were killed after being raped in the usa, and please let me and others know the percentage and -of course- combined with your explanations. and that would be FACTS I believe!!!!

I am assuring you that I am not defensing Islam, I just gave you some FACTS you asked for.
I live in my personal believes and its way too far
from nations and way too much into people and IT is what I am.

[ClearBlueSky]

My my! Double post AND the same in Freepmail!
I think I hit a nerve!

First off- I am not a 'Sir'--HORRORS, I'm female!!! Without a bag on my head, who can think for myself.
You must not have been around the site very much- or, you are ignoring all of the posts on Islam and the direct quotes from your Koran. You know- the ones saying non-believers should be slain, kill the Jews, tolerant stuff like that!

Your goal is not to vindicate your 'religion', but you don't believe in any religions? This kind of twisted thinking and double talk doesn't do much for your credibility.
And you're 'neutral'???
It's those wacky Imams making Islam looking barbaric? Well--is anyone doing anything about that, or are those Imams really running things? They're speaking for your 'religion'- if they are misrepresenting it, why do all the lovely, peaceful Muslims not only listen to them, but protect them?
It is also not my filthy mind making Islam look bad. History and the EVENING NEWS is doing that, because Muslims are obeying their religion and now the world finally sees it for what it is.
Married female OR male cheating warrants death? Where are all the news stories of the men being executed by their families? Show me Islamic law that allows a WOMAN, or her family, to kill a cheating- or even SUSPECTED- cheating husband?
Rapes in the US? Sure, there are lots, but the murder of the victim is done by the PERPETRATOR of the rape- not her family! If someone survives a rape, they get counseling not execution! Their families are happy to get them back alive- they don't butcher them in the name of saving face!
That is YOUR culture- and we will not let it take over ours!

Would some freeper please post the passages from the Koran that call for the submission of all to Islam and the killing of non-believers for our 'neutral' troll here? I'm sure he'll say that it's been 'mistranslated'. Arabic double-talk and two-faced ness is legendary. One version of things for infidels, the real one for Muslims. Unfortunately, the REAL Islam is now out in the open and it's making the acting of the 'good' Muslims look ridiculous.
But see, now we KNOW that. And a 'religion' that gives its own females and infidels one version and the males who spend their lives screaming in the streets the REAL Islam, is a cult of lies. Islams duplicity won't work anymore. We see the real face. It is ugly, it is evil and it is death.
And it's ALL in the 'sacred Koran'.
The book of filth. The book of Satan.

[ClearBlueSky]

Just a little something extra. I do love irony!

From your 'hadith'--Volume 8, Book 73, Number 84:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "The worst people in the Sight of Allah on the Day of Resurrection will be the double faced people who appear to some people with one face and to other people with another face."

Now WHO does that describe other than Muslims - like the terrorists who lived in this country pretending to be harmless while plotting murder? And the Muslims in their mosques in this country being taught to HATE all that we are while enjoying the freedoms and civilized lifestyle of this country?
Nothing like a 'prophet' forming a 'religion' that has two definitions of 'truth', who tells those people it's alright to lie to non believers, then condenming them at the end of the world for doing just that!

[opinion]

You are just not fair. you are just attacking and not discussing.