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Conservatives, Teachers Unions and Poisoned Debate
NY Times ^ | 9-4-02 | RICHARD ROTHSTEIN

Posted on 09/04/2002 6:27:51 AM PDT by Pharmboy

CONSERVATIVES have attacked the National Education Association, the teachers union, for its Web site that gives advice on how to teach about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. George Will, the Washington Post columnist, wrote that the site made the union "a national menace."

The Washington Times, a newspaper that usually supports conservative causes, editorialized that "for the N.E.A., history is farce." And Chester E. Finn Jr., an education official in the Reagan administration and now a prominent critic of public schools, called the site the main source of bad advice for schools, a "mishmash of pop-psychotherapeutics, feel-goodism, relativism and overblown multiculturalism, even more noteworthy for what's not there: history, civics, patriotism."

What seemed to agitate these critics most was the site's recommendation that teachers not "suggest any group is responsible" for the terrorist attacks. But the passage clearly does not mean that Al Qaeda should be exempt from blame; rather, it argues that teachers should not blame Muslims as a group. This advice was no different from that of President Bush and other national leaders.

It is also untrue that the Web site (neahin.org) ignores civic and patriotic material.

The site does give advice on how to comfort children who remain frightened and urges adults, perhaps inappropriately, to guide children's emotions away from hatred and anger toward the perpetrators. But much more prominently, the site includes links to the home pages of the Central Intelligence Agency and Department of Homeland Security, fact sheets from the Department of State on the war against terrorism, and the union's own resolution, passed before the attacks, urging teachers to educate students about Taliban crimes in Afghanistan.

So use of this material to attack the union's patriotism is curious, showing how poisoned public discussion about education has become.

Conservatives' animus toward teachers unions goes back at least to the 1970's, when Jimmy Carter was elected president with union support and then created the Department of Education. Union leaders thought a cabinet-level agency would give more federal attention, and thus money, to public schools. Ronald Reagan campaigned for president with a pledge to dismantle the department, his supporters contending that it was only a sop to the unions.

Since then, conservatives have often pointed to teachers unions as a chief cause of school inadequacy. In 1991, for example, Mr. Finn wrote that the unions were "smug, self-interested and allergic to change."

There is some truth to this. Some union contracts prevent involuntary assignments of teachers to schools where they are most needed; unions often assert the procedural rights of teachers as a way to block efforts to remove poor performers.

But blaming "union rules" for school problems overlooks that every labor contract requires the assent of both union and management. When districts offer adequate pay in contract negotiations, unions typically agree to reasonable changes in assignment practices.

Union policies vary from city to city. Some local unions resist any proposal to improve education if it infringes on teachers' narrow self-interest. Others take the lead in helping districts improve instructional quality. There are places in between.

In considering how to teach about Sept. 11 and how to comfort young children who remain frightened by it, there is room for civil disagreement about how much schools should emphasize patriotism, history and an analysis of the terrorist threat, how much they should warn that defense against Al Qaeda should not lead to intolerance against Muslims, and how much they should assure children that adults will protect them from danger.

Perhaps the union's Web site does not get the balance precisely right. But the intemperate attacks against it go beyond reasonable criticism.

Last week, Mr. Finn published a book on the Internet, "September 11: What Our Children Need to Know" (edexcellence.net), purportedly a response to "nonsense" circulated by the union and other groups.

Yet a chapter in Mr. Finn's book wisely cautions not to repeat the error of World War II when Japanese-Americans were unjustly interned. Another denounces the simplistic "American Pageant" approach to history, conventional 50 years ago, that celebrated only the country's triumphs and ignored its problems.

Another expresses outrage about the Taliban's treatment of women and gays. Two chapters reject reliance on free markets alone to bring international peace.

If these very points had been made on a union Web site, some of Mr. Finn's own contributors might have denounced it as a menace to the country. We will never improve schools with this approach.

E-mail: rrothstein@nytimes.com


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; hypocrisy; liberalexcuses; nea
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No, Mr. Rothstein, the problem is not us conservatives. It is the fact that the NEA is an arm of the Democrat Party and there is not one whit of fairness about them. They are driven by the extremes of PC-ness and race and sex-based victimology.

You, Mr. Rothstein, are part of the problem. We, OTOH, are part of the solution.

1 posted on 09/04/2002 6:27:51 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
Amen to that.

If that is, conservatives stop fratricial warfare among themselves...
2 posted on 09/04/2002 6:37:39 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: Pharmboy
The NEA has gone from being a teachers' union (which already automatically puts it at odds with many parental concerns) to an unapologetic leftomatic, gaydocratic, anti-religious, anti-business, anti-patriotic, and pro-sexual activity advocacy group. For those who are conservative, don't want our kids steeped in (harmful) homosexual ideology, believe in God, know that business is what makes this country run (and provides its jobs), wants our kids to understand the genesis of the greatness of our country, and don't want our kids encouraged to engage in childnood sexual activity, the NEA is now firmly entrenched as the enemy. The NEA is like the anti-Boy Scouts. It represents the antithesis of all that made this country great. And I'll make sure the NEA doesn't get its dirty little paws on my children. We removed them from the public school system two years ago.
3 posted on 09/04/2002 6:46:35 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Pharmboy
Richard Rothstein is an idiot for saying this:

So use of this material to attack the union's patriotism is curious, showing how poisoned public discussion about education has become.

It's not 'curious.'

There were so many other teaching themes the NEA could have focused on, that would have been of interest to all concerned, such as the rebuilding of our nation following a tragedy, the way citizens reached out and helped each other, etc.

These are themes of patriotism as well as comfort to young children. The NEA missed the boat, and it's not the first time. Many teachers ignore the advice of NEA, as do prinicipals.

What is "poisonous" about the national debate on public education is people wrongly assume teachers and principals actually do everything the NEA tells them to do - teachers do not.

Rothstein's column gets worse and worse every week.
4 posted on 09/04/2002 6:47:46 AM PDT by summer
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Was this really from the New York Times? The reason I ask is that it uses, in several places, the word "conservative."

The New York Times seldom uses the word "consevative," almost always using, in it's place, the phrase, "Ultra-right wing, throwback, extremist conservative..."

It must be remembered that most true NYT writers are probably the students and heirs of those who wrote propaganda for so many years for Pravda.

5 posted on 09/04/2002 6:50:38 AM PDT by Tacis
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What is "poisonous" about the national debate on public education is people wrongly assume teachers and principals actually do everything the NEA tells them to do - teachers do not.

Then teachers should get new leadership in their unions which are more concerned about advancing liberal agendas then the education of kids.

6 posted on 09/04/2002 6:52:02 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Tacis
Was this really from the New York Times? The reason I ask is that it uses, in several places, the word "conservative."

Well, they did lable conservatives SIX times in the article and title, and Liberals ZERO times.

7 posted on 09/04/2002 6:54:17 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Pharmboy
The NEA is the real problem. There is no one to watch what they use in their liberal teaching of our children. And they get away with this thru not only the DemocRATic Party, but thru the ACLU, AU, Planned Parenthood, GLSEN, and others.

This will not be an easy fight, but we must continue to expose these frauds for what they truly doing to our children. The systematic indoctrination of our children into a godless anything goes society, always dependent on the government for everything.

8 posted on 09/04/2002 6:54:41 AM PDT by RollingThunder
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Then teachers should get new leadership in their unions which are more concerned about advancing liberal agendas then the education of kids

Hey! Teacher! Leave those kids alone!

All in all you're just...another brick in the wall.

9 posted on 09/04/2002 6:55:28 AM PDT by bankwalker
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To: Always Right
Many teachers have dropped out of the teachers union here in FL. And, the NEA just changed leadership again. Teachers have little to do with leadership changes of the NEA and even less to do with policies of the union. It is not a cozy relationship between teachers and union officials - the union officials do what they want, and most teachers are too busy teaching to care what goes on in that union, which is always out of touch with the concerns of its members.
10 posted on 09/04/2002 6:57:20 AM PDT by summer
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To: Always Right; Tacis; Pharmboy
BTW, this is a very interesting professional organzation for teachers:

TEACHERS FOR BETTER EDUCATION

They started in FL and are now national. The head person is a math teacher in Miami, who strongly supports Gov Bush's education policies. I have read publicly posted letters to the editors from this math teacher, and Gov Bush's correspondence to the teacher, thanking him for writing these letters.

This group of teachers is aligned with business leaders. As public school teachers, they support school choice, vouchers, tax credits and all kinds of reforms -- in addition to supporting the continued existence of public schools.

I like them because they are much more open-minded than the NEA.
11 posted on 09/04/2002 7:17:35 AM PDT by summer
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To: summer
I like them because they are much more open-minded than the NEA.

That sounds like an excellent alternative to the NEA, which is currently obsessed with fighting vouvhers and promoting the gay agenda.

12 posted on 09/04/2002 7:24:06 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
I have been wanting to write an essay about them for FR, and to contact their head person, that math teacher. It is obvious to me there are more and more teachers out there very unhappy with the restrictive, narrow, partisian thinking of the NEA. As most people here on FR know, many public school teachers actually support homeschooling (including those who would like to homeschool their own kids, if they could afford to quit their jobs) and many other public school teachers send their kids to private schools. None of these teachers, including me, wants to see public education eliminated in this country, but it is simply false and wrong to think that public education alone is the choice for everyone. It is not, has never been, and never will be. Kids are different. Some thrive in other types of environments, and wherever a student is learning is where that student should be.
13 posted on 09/04/2002 7:36:28 AM PDT by summer
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To: Always Right
Also, this teaching competition deserves some publicity here on this thread as well - the annual Teacher of the Year Award from the Veterans of Foreign Wars organization (VFW).
14 posted on 09/04/2002 7:44:58 AM PDT by summer
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To: Pharmboy
E-mail: rrothstein@nytimes.com

this is obviously a PLANT!!!

15 posted on 09/04/2002 7:49:11 AM PDT by Nat Turner
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To: yendu bwam
Great rant! My nomination for quote of the week.
16 posted on 09/04/2002 8:07:00 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
You, Mr. Rothstein, are part of the problem. We, OTOH, are part of the solution.

Hear! Hear!

17 posted on 09/04/2002 8:10:45 AM PDT by Holding Our Breath
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Perhaps the union's Web site does not get the balance precisely right. But the intemperate attacks against it go beyond reasonable criticism.

That's the New York Times boilerplate response to any right-of-Clinton position on any subject. Rothstein performs sleight-of-hand, in switching from the NEA's radical positions to union contracts, which touch on little of the most political issues.

Anyone with the barest familiarity with Rothstein, knows that he is nothing but a shill for the teacher's unions, and the radical multiculturalists in the schools and teacher ed programs.

18 posted on 09/04/2002 8:32:54 AM PDT by mrustow
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To: summer
We will never improve schools with this approach.

The NYTimes is a real piece of work. (It is really a piece of something else, but the rule against profanity prevents me from saying what it is.)

To criticize the NEA is bad for public education.---- Isn't that like saying surgery for a cancer patient is bad for his health?

19 posted on 09/04/2002 8:37:05 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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Hey thanks! Wish I'd had time to do it real justice!

yendu b.
20 posted on 09/04/2002 8:38:27 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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