California CCW Update: CCW Lawsuit tactics

Equal Rights for CCW, California ^ | Ongoing | Jim March

[monkeyshine]

Jim March is a banned freeper. He was banned for profanity and belligerance, as many newbies are unprepared for the ideological assaults one receives here. He was assaulted from the left and from the right here, and responded in frustrated profanity -- thus earning him the boot.

Nevertheless, I am a supporter of his cause and want to keep freepers informed of the progress.

[monkeyshine]

Bump

[monkeyshine]

fyi

[Robert357]

...but the trial judge refused to beleive that such widespread corruption existed and dismissed the case without trial.

The author obviously did not understant. The judge understood perfectly well what was happening. The judge is just part of the power elite in the community that wants the "rift raff" unarmed.

[monkeyshine]

You could be right. Although to read Jim's website he actually believed going in that the Judge was a fair and honest one.

In any event, instead of appealing his own case, he has brought in some more attorneys and took another tactic which broadens his claims. By claiming racial discrimination they have more reasons for the case to be heard and appealed if dismissed or lost at trial.

The racial discrimination angle doesn't have to prove intent. It merely needs to prove that racial disparity exists, in which case the methods need to be reformed. You and I both know (without actually seeing the data) that the vast majority of CCW holders in the state are rich white men. Hispanics, Blacks, Women and the Poor make up only a small percentage of CCW holders. But of course they need this data to make the case stick.

The case won't just be about race, but including race makes the case less assailable and increases the chances that it will go to trial and not be dismissed. Going to Federal Court should help insulate it from the cronyism factor of the local courts but nothing is a guarantee.

He needs more plaintiffs for this case. Anyone who has been rejected for CCW should contact him. Especially if one is a "minority", but anyone who has been rejected may be able to join as a plaintiff. Not sure if it will be "class action" but having more plaintiffs helps to prevent the causes from being dismissed, as each plaintiff's case will have to be dismissed.

[Husker24]

Im shocked that California even has CCW, this must have been passed a long time ago, im surprised they havent repealed it yet.

[riverrunner]

No suprise at all all most all firearms laws were past with the intent to keep the poor and those not in power from being armed. I am sure when it was past it was with the intent that see you can get a permit just ask.(sure when see decide your the right type.)I they couldn't past a complete ban so they did a end run calling for permits but only with premisson.

[monkeyshine]

We have CCW, because the cronies want it.

The law is bizarre. If you violate the law and carry concealed, the first offense is only a misdemeanor. But you may still lose your right to purchase firearms, so it isn't worth the risk.

[kellynla]

If you think that being convicted of a misdemeanor prohibits one from purchasing a firearm legally you are mistaken. There "may" be a problem getting a CCW with a misdemeanor record but not absolute.

[monkeyshine]

No, I don't think any misdemeanor will do. I think certain misdemeanors may cause you to lose your right to possess one legally for 10 years in the state.

I'm not sure if carry concealed without a permit qualifies as one of these, but I'm fairly certain that certain misdemeanors do.

[TEXASPROUD]

It's my recollection that California had open carry until the early 60's. Some of the outlaw motorcycle clubs got the legislature to stop that. California 50 years ago was a whole different place.

[edger]

It was about 50 years ago I was sent to the head of the Calif Hiway Patrol to talk about a permit to carry. My family had been rousted twice while camping and I was tired of it.

The head of the CHP told me, "No way. If you are a personal friend of the Governor, maybe. Otherwise no. When you and I come into contact, I want to know that I am the only one who is armed. End of discussion."

[stimulate]

I think that misdemeanor spousal abuse prohibits gun possession forever.I believe that in Calif. simple possession of Marijuana can result in losing 2nd Amendment rights per voter initiative.The voter initiative also mandates counseling instead of jail time for first time offenders.You won't go to jail but you can't own a gun either.And that's forever too.

[stimulate]

It was the Black Panther Party that caused the Calif. legislature to change the open carry law.The Black Panthers were going out of their way to intimidate law enforcement by parading with rifles,and literaly standing as close as possible to Oakland Police Dept., with a rifle.

[monkeyshine]

The rest of the country could save California from itself. If the Federal Government mandated that CCW permits issued in any state is valid in all, California would almost be forced to begin issuing them as a source of revenue. Otherwise, people will go in droves to Nevada or other states to get a permit.

[umgud]

I live in one of the CA counties that is as near to "shall issue" as possible. I got my CCW the first of the year when I heard our elected sherrif was retiring. I attended a gun show today and both candidates for the county sherrif seat were present and both proclaimed their support for 2cnd ammendment and continued ccw issues. In Los Angeles county to the south, you do have to be rich or important to get a ccw.

[kellynla]

Well if you or anybody you know applies and has a problem let me know.

[Cultural Jihad]

May 2, 1967

[monkeyshine]

I never applied. I have spoken with some people who claimed to be pros at it and they all said don't bother, it's impossible in Los Angeles.

fwiw I have no felonies or misdemeanors.

What county are you in umgood. Orange?

[hoosierskypilot]

Shoot, yeh, boy! We even got 'lectricity!

Used to have books, too. But they outlawed them. Heard a couple years ago someone tried to smuggle some books into the state. Had to let him go, though. There was no one here who could prove they were books! ;-)