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Contested Senate Races, Polls and Links for Contributions
self research | 8-28-02 | patriciaruth

Posted on 08/28/2002 3:29:12 PM PDT by patriciaruth

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To: Darth Sidious
JMO on the following:

Our best pickup chances are SD and NJ. I think a visit by Bush and a strong overal GOP ticket in SD is the difference. As long as Forrester runs a by-the-book campaign, he wins.

Dole will win in NC, Cornyn will win in TX, LAMAR! will win in TN.

Chambliss, Hutchinson, and Ganske lose in GA, AR, and IA, respectively.

I give Coleman better-than-even odds in MN at this point.

If Sununu wins the primary in NH, he beats Shaheen. If Smith wins the primary, Shaheen wins.

Terrell makes it to December against Landrieu in LA, but loses.

BIGGEST POTENTIAL UPSET: Taylor (R) over Baucus (D) in MT.

I say the GOP picks up 2 seats, net. We'll see.

81 posted on 08/28/2002 11:05:20 PM PDT by TheBigB
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To: TheBigB
Forgot to add, I make Talent a 53%-46% favorite over Carnahan in MO as of now.
82 posted on 08/28/2002 11:10:14 PM PDT by TheBigB
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To: billbears; TheBigB
So, BigB, you think Dole will take NC, and billbears is convinced she is going to lose the primary.

The only thing I can find so far is a Washington Times story from early July that Dole is running like an incumbent, keeping a low profile and taking the high road because she has the most name recognition. But that can backfire if her supporters aren't energized to go to the polls and the purist conservatives are energized to go "show them" that outsiders ain't gonna tell us how to vote.

Either of you have any rising poll numbers for Snyder or sinking poll numbers for Dole to give credence to your gut feelings?

Or can you give me the name or website of a big North Carolina newspaper that I could browse in?

83 posted on 08/28/2002 11:55:14 PM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: TheBigB
What is your clue that Chambliss is going to lose to Cleland? I understand their race in 1996 was very close.

Did Chambliss really say they were going to make sure no Muslims came into Georgia?

84 posted on 08/29/2002 12:01:19 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: ArneFufkin
ping.
85 posted on 08/29/2002 12:05:05 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth; Darth Sidious; Constitution Day; billbears
She has been forced upon us and that hurt her out of the gate. It hurt Bush too.

Her TV ads have made her the laughing stock of the state. Mama is living in our house. An extreme stretch of the truth, if not out and out lie. Liddy hasn't lived in North Carolina for decades and Bob never has. Slightly better than Hillary is a New Yorker. There are a lot of people who do not trust the Red Cross and leaders thereof. They know of the training of Liddy by Terry Sanford. And other reasons I won't go into here.

Snyder in the primaries. We'll think about what to do in the general election should Liddy take it.

86 posted on 08/29/2002 2:46:13 AM PDT by doglot
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To: crystalk
Both the "indep media" (=RAT) polls you mention are in fact very positive for R candidates. Mr Hutchinson performed well in a debate and polls show conserv/Christian voters will NOT stay home because he is a divorcee.

It seems you have a habit of dismissing any poll that doesn't portray the results you want! Even partisan-sponsored polls (which this one was not) tend to overstate their candidate by only 3-4 points. No poll that shows Hutchinson down by 10 points can be viewed as "very positive" without some vigorous spinning! From what I've heard, viewers were split down the middle as to who performed better in the debate.

For starters, in La the Republicans finally got off the dime and committed major funds. This says they agree with me that the chance of throwing this into a runoff is now very strong, at LEAST 70% it DOES go into the runoff.

On this, we are in agreement. There's no question Terrell is something of a moderate, but in this case, she's really the only hope of defeating Landrieu. The GOP needs to get her into that No. 2 position, and keep Landrieu under 50% for what could be an interesting runoff election (especially if control of the Senate hinges on it). Unfortunately, Gov. Foster has endorsed John Cooksey.

In GA, which I gave to R in an eyelash, ANY kind of McKinney candidacy or write-in gives Chambliss the seat; and the latter is only now beginning to become known.

It's too early to say how this one might play out. But I think it's safe to say that McKinney will be a non-factor. Ballot access is already closed in Georgia, even if McKinney wanted to run as an Independent or Green. The only way she could run would be as a write-in candidate, which I don't think would have much impact. Besides, from everything I've seen, the thinking is that McKinney was talking about a 2004 Senate run, when Zell Miller might retire; not a 2002 run.

"If these polls asked, "which party do you want your new Senator to be from," it would skew the ultimate result less, than these polls that ask "If the election were held today, would you vote for Sen. Bigstaff Forever, or Joey Jones?"...do in fact skew it. Whoever heard of Joey Jones? This is programmed to get a RAT result.

I agree with your general premise that challengers tend to gain momentum as the campaign progresses and they become better known. However, this reasoning cannot be used to dismiss the results of the AR and SD polls, since Hutchinson is the incumbent, and Thune was elected to the state-wide House seat with 70%+ of the vote.

The poll in SD is ridiculous in saying 20% of the voters are unsure, in fact it is in effect programmed to produce a tie.

Actually, it was 15% undecided. Five percent chose the Libertarian candidate. Previous SD polls ranged from 7-12% undecided, so this one was somewhat higher in that regard.

87 posted on 08/29/2002 5:06:03 AM PDT by BlackRazor
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To: patriciaruth
All the dyed in the wool conservatives here did the same thing in our Republican primary. No outsiders going to give us a RINO for our Republican gubernatorial nominee. A pure conservative is the only thing they'll vote.

patricia, think about what you're writing for just a moment: it doesn't matter to you about the quality of representation that we North Carolinians want. You and a lot of others seem to only care about "winning back the Senate", about "us being in charge".

I don't trust that. A lot of people here in North Carolina don't trust that. And I don't care if Bowles does win... hell I can see where having two dyed-in-the-wool liberal senators from this state might be a GOOD thing: it might finally wake up many North Carolinians who've let the statists - those who don't believe in limited government - cut and bleed this state for longer than most of us care to remember. Might be good "shock therapy" that would defeat Edwards in '04, at least.

I'm not going to vote for "a surefire winner" if that's the only thing going for them. "Because they can win" might mean they can take power, but it's no measure of whether they deserve power.

88 posted on 08/29/2002 5:53:56 AM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: patriciaruth
But that can backfire if her supporters aren't energized to go to the polls and the purist conservatives are energized to go "show them" that outsiders ain't gonna tell us how to vote.

This is EXACTLY what's looking to happen! Because so far as her supporters go... well, we're still trying to find them.

89 posted on 08/29/2002 5:56:31 AM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: patriciaruth
Dole will win because of two things...her name and money, period. Same reason LAMAR! won the primary here in TN. Grant you, I'm no expert, but that's what I think.

An incumbent will not be defeated unless he or she makes at least ONE big, controversial mistake in the eyes of his or her constituents. Voting record aside, Cleland has not. And Chambliss was not his opponent in '96, Guy Millner was. Miller will give Cleland enough cover so that conservative/moderate dems will vote for him. Cleland will win.

90 posted on 08/29/2002 6:05:44 AM PDT by TheBigB
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To: doglot
Her TV ads

You've seen her TV ads? Where?

91 posted on 08/29/2002 7:45:30 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Oh come on!! You mean to tell me you haven't seen those wonderful masterpieces of film? The editing, the shots of grandma not saying anything but being voiced over, her and Liddy sitting on the couch just sharing, of course talking about how we just need a better healthcare plan and more drug prescription plans (makes me wonder how the heck she got on the Republican ticket!! Sounds like Hillary)

And at the very end they take this poor woman (Giddy's mother)who looks tired as heck and who is probably sorry as heck her daughter married Viagra Bob, to say 'Mother knows best!!' to the camera

But of course that's not as good as the 'I'm here to protect NC jobs and by God if you elect me I'll put the tariff rate so high on textiles, we won't know what hit us!!' ads. There we pan through some mill(cleanest mill I ever saw BTW) and Giddy's voice over tells us how she has worked side by side in some mill with the workers. What she fails to say is when, where, and who saw her there. I swear, put a dress on Erskine Bowles and you'd have Dolt. BTW, has anybody ever seen them together?

92 posted on 08/29/2002 8:11:57 AM PDT by billbears
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To: billbears
talking about how we just need a better healthcare plan and more drug prescription plans

I thought that was Erskine Bowels' ad. Hehehe

Nope...haven't seen it. Maybe I'm just not watching....er....enduring as much network television as I used to.

93 posted on 08/29/2002 8:17:54 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; Darth Sidious
WXII channel 12 Winston-Salem is at least one regular broadcast outlet I've seen her commercial. Seems like they run during the local newscast. When I've been in my dad's workshop, I've seen the ad on Time Warner Cable in Forsyth County (satellite at home). At times it is difficult to tell if the ad is on the broadcast channel, or time the cable company has sold. She also has another out that she discusses drug costs like Bowles' ad. Here's a link if you want to see them

http://www.elizabethdole.org/multimedia.asp

FWIW I've seen a few Snyder ads on cable and more recently over the air. If you want to see some Democrat ads, just watch "North Carolina Now" on UNCPTV. (wink)


94 posted on 08/29/2002 7:36:41 PM PDT by doglot
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To: doglot
Saw THREE Snyder ads tonight, and two for Dole. Snyder's are nothing fancy... then again they shouldn't be. It's only he and his wife, no gimmicks or voiceover. Dole is what George Lucas once said was the most boring thing: a special effect without a story.
95 posted on 08/29/2002 8:09:53 PM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Darth Sidious
Unfortunately most people want show rather than substance. And it works time after time after..........
96 posted on 08/29/2002 8:58:23 PM PDT by doglot
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To: doglot; Darth Sidious
Guess that explains it. If it's not on WRAL between 6:00 and 6:35 am, I've missed it. I've seen the Bowles ads and Don Munford's ads....that's about it.
97 posted on 08/30/2002 3:12:35 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: BlackRazor
have you seen any polls for the NC primary lately? I'm just wondering if Snyder has closed the gap
98 posted on 08/30/2002 6:45:19 AM PDT by Deport Billary
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To: Deport Billary
have you seen any polls for the NC primary lately? I'm just wondering if Snyder has closed the gap

I have not seen anything at all on the GOP primary in NC. Such a lack of polling data is typically indicative of a non-competitive race, however.

99 posted on 08/30/2002 10:17:23 AM PDT by BlackRazor
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To: patriciaruth
Thanks I hakd planned to do the same myself. I'm not as HTML savvy as you.
100 posted on 08/30/2002 10:48:33 AM PDT by CPT Clay
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