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1 posted on 08/27/2002 3:16:06 PM PDT by Mini-14
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To: Mini-14
Sanchez is just one of many people unhappy with the H-1B program, and he's fighting it with data.

Why do I get the feeling Congress could care less what affected workers think about the scam H1-B program, as long as the big business donations keep rolling in?

2 posted on 08/27/2002 3:22:55 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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H-1B visas were big in the Bay Area until the dot-coms went bust. Then the papers were filled with sob stories about foreigners who were out of work, just bought a car, didn't want to go back, yada yada yada.

The problem is, H-1B visas were supposed to be about jobs looking for people, not people looking for jobs. When the job goes away, we are not responsible for placing those people into new jobs -- we send them home.

Supposed to, anyway.

-PJ

4 posted on 08/27/2002 3:30:49 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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Read Professor Matloff's research on this issue. It is 150 pages or so.

http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.real.html

Matloff's research shows that the labor market for high-tech is all fouled up. With h1b we as a society are making the decision to ethnically cleanse people of american source right out of this type of work. Matloff's research shows that young americans majoring in computer science now have less than a 10% chance of making a career out of it that lasts more than 8-10 years.

If we were to make similar rules for hamburger flippers, then within 10 years more than half the hamburger flippers would be non-american and the pay would be 30% lower. This is an insane program.

Matloff proposes some reforms. He says first, limit h1b to 65,000 per year. Second, let h1b people sponsor themselves. In that way after a company hired them they would be free to switch jobs. This would make them much less attractive to the companies that hire them, it would also put them on a more even footing in competition with people who are american sourced. Currently, the companies are favoring h1b because the h1b person has a very difficult time switching jobs, and will basically stick it out for 5 years no matter what in order to become a citizen and then bring his family over. With free workers the company has to reward them enough to make them stay voluntarilly.

You see the deal is when you get hired as h1b, that you have to work for that 1 company for 5 years straight, then you get green card and can work elsewhere if you like. If you quit before the 5 year time clock is done, then you have to start the 5 years over even if you do find a replacement corporate sponsor. This program is exactly how the king of england created the original indentured servitude in 1650 in order to get workers for companies.

Congress did an ivestigation about h1b. They found that a large portion of the resumes coming from India to feed people into this program are totally falsified. They are dishonest about credentials in a big way. It doesn't matter though. As long as they get a warm body that is willing to work like a slave for 5 years in order to become a citizen, then that is all that matters.
8 posted on 08/27/2002 3:54:38 PM PDT by Red Jones
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I recommend the book "The Case Against Immigration". It describes the impact on a number of facets of our society/economy and they're all bad.
Ciao,
Max
28 posted on 08/27/2002 5:57:42 PM PDT by max epr
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To: Mini-14; commish
I work at Auburn University as an MCT and MCSE. Everyday, students new and old to various networking jobs ask me what are the opportunities for employment. I'm always looking for job openings from various businesses in the area to place the more promising students. It is absolutely an enormous lie that Americans cannot do EVERY single tech job in this country. I have trained hundreds of people that started out not knowing anything about computers and networking that really learned well, were eager to begin working, and would be fine assets to any high tech company in this country. Why is it so hard for them to get jobs? Why is there even a single H-1B in Alabama when these decent folks can't get a job???? I would like to see the money spent on H-1B go into training for Americans.

Example: Here in Alabama we have an area known as the Black Belt (not a race word, but for the exceptionally good dark soils that fueled the Nation's first cotton boom in the 1840's). Today, the area is one of the most poverty-stricken areas in the country (From Birth, hardships begin assault (Alabama). If just 5 in 100 of these fellow Americans could be trained, there would be no need for H-1B. Maybe I should call Jessee Jackson, LOL!!!

One other problem with H-1B. Have you ever noticed than when layoffs occur in high tech, it's usually men in their 40/50's? Why? Well, the high tech companies say H-1B holders do not make less than anyone else. However, since retirement and health benefits aren't paid to H-1B's like you would with Americans, wouldn't companies find it a hell of a lot cheaper to employ them rather than H-1B's? And who, more than anyone else, is going to cost the companies in terms of retirement and health benefits the most???

American males in their 40's and 50's, that's who.

This program is the biggest shaft the Congress ever stuck up the little guy. Well, there's so many... One of the biggest!!!!! How about we replace Congressmen with foreign workers??? We couldn't do worse, IMO.

30 posted on 08/27/2002 7:13:46 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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Washington is losing its legitimacy in the eyes of the American middle class because of crap like H-1(b) and other immigration sellouts and "free trade" that let Third World nations dump their unemployment and underemployment onto the backs of America's middle-class middle-aged downsized workers and their just-graduated kids.

The same view of Washington as illegitimate long common among slum blacks is now growing fast among middle-class nonminorities for these and other reasons.

31 posted on 08/27/2002 7:26:19 PM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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This is somewhat off subject but it has been bugging me. I work in the IT sector and order network servers form Dell from time to time. Anway, I had to order some upgrade/expansion components today. Long story short; Dell moved their call center to India and just try to find a contact Phone # or e-mail address of someone in charge @ Dell HQ in Austin. I was on hold for 35 minuted and the phone connection sucked bigtime too. Apparently the people working the call center have been told to lie if asked where they are located. I called yesterday to get pricing. I asked where the call center was located and the sales rep told me Austin. WHen I called back today I asked when the call center was moved and this time the guy just laughed and said about 3 months ago. It really ticks me off that they tossed the Americans aside like that. While looking for contact information so I could inquire/complain I came across Dell's press releases. Of course, none existed relating to the call center move.
33 posted on 08/27/2002 7:44:59 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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i'm mad as hell...it time to end that program and hire americans...
44 posted on 08/29/2002 1:15:22 PM PDT by Bill Davis FR
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