Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: sinkspur
1. What an odd question. The process that leads to beatification is rigorous. It is also based in a historical context. You're looking at Isabella with 21st century eyes. Popes with servants would never be eligible for canonization, in your world. I assume the Church will apply the same diligence to Isabella it applies to every other saint it recognizes.

Then why the complaint? Some Jewish groups are pointing out a flaw in Isabella. Catholics should thank them for preventing a mistake like sanctifying a sinner.

2. Jews should not be persecuted, and never should have been persecuted. Blacks should not be slaves, and never should have been slaves. Looking at the 15th century through a present-day lens is simply historical revisionism and distorts the events and motivations of people of the time.

Motivations?
I suppose theft, cancellation of debt owed by the crown, and revenge should be balanced by the desire of Ferdinand and Isabella to unify Spain.

I believe that some crimes cannot be overlooked. They did not inherit a situation like slavery. They created the crime.

It is typically the Jewish left which, like blacks pushing reparations, will simply not turn the page.

The left is using this to attack the Church. I'm just disappointed.
Some things should not be gotten over.

11 posted on 08/27/2002 5:54:50 PM PDT by rmlew
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies ]


To: rmlew
Some Jewish groups are pointing out a flaw in Isabella.

And Christopher Hitchens thought Mother Teresa's taking money from Charles Keating should disqualify her from canonization. The Church will take the input of Jewish groups into consideration, I'm sure.

Some things should not be gotten over.

You'll understand, then, when Catholics, after hearing the same complaints over and over and over and over, simply move on and apply the criteria it has always used for sainthood.

The Jews are not going to influence the canonization of Isabella anymore than they are going to influence the canonization of Pius IX.

12 posted on 08/27/2002 6:16:45 PM PDT by sinkspur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies ]

To: rmlew
(...The left is using this to attack the Church...)

What the left thinks should not matter at all. The Church is only obligated to serve the interests of practising Catholics (who are mostly conservative).

(...I believe that some crimes cannot be overlooked. They did not inherit a situation like slavery. They created the crime...)

Does that mean that you would also support the campaign by some Native Americans, to remove President Andrew Jackson from the 20 dollar bill? Many Native Americans feel the same resentment against Jackson, that you do about Queen Isabella, that "some crimes cannot be overlooked".

But the interests of a nation must always precede the interests of special interest groups. Andrew Jackson, whatever his faults, advanced the cause of the American nation, just as Queen Isabella advanced the Spanish cause.
13 posted on 08/27/2002 6:23:59 PM PDT by jstone78
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies ]

To: rmlew
(...Some Jewish groups are pointing out a flaw in Isabella...)

Paul Gottfried, the author of the posted article, is also Jewish. But unlike the "Jewish groups" you refer to, Gottfried is strongly opposed to political correctness.

Gottfried opposes political correctness, whether it is proposed by liberals, Marxists, or neoconservatives. Gottfried occupies the same status as an independent Jewish thinker, that Thomas Sowell occupies in black America. I consider both men to be among the bravest and most brilliant social critics in America.
17 posted on 08/27/2002 6:35:27 PM PDT by jstone78
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson