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Big Brother hiding inside cars’ airbags (black boxes Goverment is Watching you)
Dayton Daily News ^ | 08.22.2002 | Cathy Mong

Posted on 08/26/2002 4:16:29 PM PDT by USA21

Big Brother hiding inside cars’ airbags

The 1999 Pontiac Trans Am had to be flying, said officer Robert Cairo, a traffic crash investigator with the Trotwood Police Department.

The car skidded sideways off Union Road on Feb. 11, went airborne for 110 feet, landed in a field and bounced "like a stone across a lake" before it struck a utility pole, according to police. The impact ejected the driver, who broke his neck, and a passenger, who broke his spine.

"I knew high speed was a factor," he said, "but there weren't a lot of road marks, because by the first one, he was already going sideways on the road."

Cairo said he conservatively estimated the speed at less than 80 mph, "the minimal speed I could work out."

An electronic device on board the Pontiac, however, told police exactly how fast the car had been going — 124 mph in a 40 mph zone. And it enabled Trotwood to join the growing number of police departments and insurance companies across the country experimenting with data stored on computers, originally designed and installed on cars and trucks to control air bags, to determine what happened in the seconds leading up to accidents.

Called a Sensing Diagnostic Module, the electronic "brains" behind an airbag were developed by General Motors and are now manufactured by its spin-off company Delphi at an electronics plant in Kokomo, Ind. GM's air bags are made in Vandalia at Delphi's Interior & Lighting Systems plant and are later hooked up to the black boxes on assembly lines for GM and other auto companies.

Since 2000, it's become possible with the right computer decoding software to retrieve and read information stored in the SDM's electronic memory. Though GM designed the sensing modules to capture information about accidents that could be studied for ways to make cars safer, police and insurance investigators discovered that the data can also be used to help make a case about who caused the accident.

There are more than 500 Crash Data Retrieval Systems in use across the country, including 12 in Ohio, said James Kerr, program manager for Vetronics Corp., maker of the computer decoder. Among the Ohio buyers are the Dayton Police Special Investigations Division, Butler County Sheriff's Department and the State Farm Insurance Co., Kerr said.

The SDM, sometimes referred to as the automobile version of the "black box" found on commercial airliners, is also called an accelerometer or Event Data Recorder. General Motors' module is the most advanced, said Phil Haseltine, president of the Automotive Coalition for Traffic Safety.

The sensor in GM cars is installed either under the radio in the dashboard or on the floor under the passenger seat. Data stored in the SDM includes the engine revolution speed, whether the brakes or throttle were used, the speed of the vehicle andwhether seat belts were worn.

In a collision, sensors close an electrical circuit and send a signal to the airbag, which inflates in 1/20th of a second.

Meanwhile, readings taken during the last five seconds before the airbags deploy become the SDM's last testament.

Opponents of the data retrieval include the national American Civil Liberties Union, which objects to the SDMs being installed without a consumer's knowledge.

Members of Ohio's chapter of the ACLU in Cleveland said "it isn't a concern" at this point, and statistics showing the number of times data from the black boxes has been used in court against drivers in Ohio or in other states is not available. In one early challenge to the use of SDMs, a lawsuit filed in 2001 in New Jersey against General Motors complained about the lack of disclosure of the SDM to car buyers. A judge dismissed the case.

The air bag monitoring modules have evolved since 1997 when the National Transportation Safety Board recommended vehicle manufacturers and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration team up to gather information on vehicle accidents using on-board collision sensing and recording devices. Officials at GM, which first offered air bags in 1974 on its Oldsmobile Tornado, say the information is used only for safety research, and poses no threat to consumers' privacy.

SDM data has been used in court — always with a court-ordered search warrant — to back up the findings from traditional police investigations.

In the Miami Valley, police officers said they acquire a search warrant signed by a judge before retrieving the SDM from wrecked vehicles.

Data obtained from a SDM after the February crash in Trotwood investigated by Cairo is expected to be entered as evidence in Dayton Municipal Court. The driver is charged with two counts of aggravated vehicular assault. Alcohol was a contributing factor in addition to high speed, police said. The car's black box also told police that the men were not wearing seatbelts, according to Cairo.

Cairo said he was unaware of the data device until a prosecutor suggested he check to see if the wrecked Trans Am had one. A Dayton police investigator trained to used the decoding computer helped Cairo download the contents of the SDM.

This was Cairo's first retrieval of SDM data, but Montgomery County Sheriff Deputy Ron Thayer has tried to use the black boxes in at least six cases — including four times in the past six months. He's been an accident reconstruction investigator for 12 years and has mixed feelings about the value of the SDMs.

In one instance, a module manufactured in 1999 was in a 2000 automobile and no data was available, he said, because it was a misfit. In another case, the SDM was smashed in the crash.

In addition, he said, the decoder can only be used in crashes involving certain makes of newer cars "and I'm still seeing a lot of '86 Fords," Thayer said. "We're going to be doing it the old-fashioned way for a while, I think. They can't take the human being out of the job. We're important."

Cairo and Thayer acknowledge that the use of the black boxes by accident investigators raises questions about privacy.

The issue isn't going to go away.

"Smart airbags" or "advanced airbags" are in development that that will include sensors detecting how big the occupants are, how far away from the airbag they're sitting and other factors, Haseltine said. Manufacturers are looking for ways to gather more information about crashes, but believe the "ownership" of data belongs to the consumer, said Haseltine, whose coalition represents auto companies.

"I think they're pretty much unanimous on that, other than with a court order," Haseltine said. "I'm sure police departments would love to download the data in any fender-bender, but I think that's wrong."

In April, the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers Standards Association began working to create the first standard for motor vehicle event data records. The standard would define what data should be captured, including time, date, location, velocity, number of occupants and seat belt usage. Now, GM's black boxes gather information that's different from the way Ford, Chrysler and other companies' devices work.

Thayer said that people also are just starting to think about how data from SDMs can be and should be used to investigate auto accidents. There are questions about how the information is gathered, what it means and whether it's reliable enough for evidence about who's guilty or innocent.

Jason Alexander, Vetronics Corp. marketing communications manager, backs the recordings and their retrieval.

"You know, everybody had the scare put on them recently, thinking it's another 'big brother' out there, but what it is is a fair witness. It shows what physically happened in that car just before the accident."

Thayer said credibility of the SDM data remains to be seen.

"We have to go to the courts and show them it's valid," he said. "It's like when radar first came out. We had to go in there and validate (radar), that it does what it says it does. It will take a while to validate this, too."

Contact Cathy Mong at 225-2353 or by e-mail at cathy_mong@coxohio.com


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
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To: RikaStrom
Can you provide a link to that story, I heard that that story was "Urban Legend"
21 posted on 08/26/2002 6:21:03 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: MJY1288
Uhmm... Let me do some research, I think I read it hear first, so let me see if I can find it for you.

I hope it's not an Urban Legend... dagnabit. :-)

22 posted on 08/26/2002 6:22:27 PM PDT by RikaStrom
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To: RikaStrom; Syncro
Hopefully something will be invented by an aspiring entrepreneur to screw up the calibration of those things. Of course, it won't be cheap, and will be useless within 2 years as technology changes.
23 posted on 08/26/2002 6:26:03 PM PDT by LurkerNoMore!
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To: LurkerNoMore!
LOL...You can stalk me anytime...Hay if I push the white button it says "ready" and then I can say "call" and it says "nametag" and then if I say "muze" it automatacally dials a *number*...haven't used that one yet..
24 posted on 08/26/2002 6:26:27 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Syncro
Hold on a sec....... my phone's ringing
25 posted on 08/26/2002 6:27:35 PM PDT by LurkerNoMore!
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To: RikaStrom
I do a lot of business with Enterprise Rental and I will ask the manager in the AM and see if they do such things, I recently took them up on a free offer to use on of their luxury cars, It had On-Star and I broke every speed limit from Maryland to Tennessee and no fines to me, I did have to give Enterprize my credit card number as a deposit for using the "On Star" phone. But no extra costs for doing 90 mph most the way down Rt.66, Rt.85 and Rt.40 :-)
26 posted on 08/26/2002 6:30:47 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: FormerLurker
>>...what's to stop them from seeing how fast you're going at any time they'd like to check?..<<

Seems like I read of a car rental agency that had installed a similar device.

They'd read it after the car was turned in and charge extra if it had recorded what they considered excessive speed.

27 posted on 08/26/2002 6:32:39 PM PDT by FReepaholic
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To: LurkerNoMore!
Well why didn't you answer kiddo...went to voice mail...heheh
28 posted on 08/26/2002 6:32:39 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: MJY1288
Ok, I think I found at least one! :-)

Rental Cars equipped with GPS = tickets

And Two,

Rental company tracks drivers using satellites

and Three,

Car rental GPS speeding fines ruled illegal

I love FR archives.... If you can just remember enough exact words in the title, you can find anything. :-)

29 posted on 08/26/2002 6:35:23 PM PDT by RikaStrom
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To: MJY1288
"Go "On Star""

I'd rip it out before I ever moved the car one inch!

No one has a right to know how or where I go or how fast I get there.

Somne day that system will be used to totally monitor you and you can be sure they won't tell you when they are going to do it. The capacity is already built in!
30 posted on 08/26/2002 6:35:31 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: USA21
Is there a replaceable fuse?
31 posted on 08/26/2002 6:35:34 PM PDT by soundbits
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To: USA21
Friend of mine used to run a trucking company that delivered for WalMart. They had GPS and cell phones installed. There were pre-designated routes to every store and warehouse, and they knew if you got over 5 or so miles off route and you were reprimanded. They also had "delivery windows", and you got in as much trouble for delivering early as you did late. He finally quit them and went independent.

Back in '92, I stopped late one night to help a guy broken down in a pickup. He told me he was a member of the Nebraska militia. We talked while I helped him get his truck started, and he told me he'd never own a vehicle made after '85, because that year the government had started secretly putting a chip in the cars that would allow them to shut any or all cars in the country off whenever they wished. I thought he was a nut, but the OnStar thing scares me. My truck's financed through GMAC, and I could just see getting in it one day and hearing this voice, "Uh, sir. We notice you're a little late with your payment this month, so we're going to keep the engine locked down and lock your windows and doors for a half hour. You just sit there and think about the error of your ways. You won't be late with that payment next month will you?"

33 posted on 08/26/2002 6:38:34 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: Richard Kimball
From 1999 and GMAC.

GM installs black boxes in cars

34 posted on 08/26/2002 6:42:29 PM PDT by RikaStrom
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To: dalereed
dale you are correct 100%.

I don't like it either for what it stands for and how invasive it is.

But on the other hand I have an older vehicle which I could drive anywhere I need to go if I don't want to be tracked.

I will take advantage of onstar and use it for my benifit but will not let it dictate to me what I do
I already made use of it once when one of my sons locked his keys in his pickup with the motor running in the snow one nite last winter when were leaving the skiing area...LOL took an hour or so for someone to get there to unlock the car but it was nice sitting in my nice warm SUV playing games with the grandkids and talking to onstar and letting them make phone calls for me.

PS Hay it was GRATE to see you again last weekend or so in Vegas...:>)

35 posted on 08/26/2002 6:46:05 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: RikaStrom
Thanks for the links, I'm glad that the courts ruled in the favor of privacy
36 posted on 08/26/2002 6:48:00 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: dalereed
I will continue to use the system and I can appreciate the advantages of using it, But if I plan to carry out any serious criminal activity I will be sure to cut the antenna wire as would anyone with a lick of sense. After seeing the responses and links to previous court cases that challenged and won against the invasion of our privacy. I won't get my shorts all up ina bunch over "On Star", To me... It's just another communication tool until I decide to become a fugitive from the law, When that day comes I will cut the antenna :-)
37 posted on 08/26/2002 6:54:08 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: RikaStrom
Thanks for the read. I probably wasn't clear in my first post, but when I started reading about OnStar and the ability to lock or unlock the car, shut the engine down, etc, I realized that he was right. It was a real shock to me, and caused a general realignment of a lot of my thinking. That's why I sometimes get irritated when posts around here get inundated with pictures of tin-foil hats. I thought that guy was a nut, and it's now obvious the technology was there. I don't immediately rule out the possibility of anything anymore.
38 posted on 08/26/2002 7:03:28 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: MJY1288
Stories from the OnCall call center. I used to work for EDS, and they ran the OnCall call center - we used to get stories from their call center about the adventures of the OnCall users.

User calls in and tells the rep, "I can't find my car, can you please honk the horn?" So the rep does so.

An hour or so later, the user calls in and says "I can't find my car, can you please honk the horn?" Once again, the rep honks the horn. There were two or three more calls from the user in the next two hours so he could "find his car." The rep finally asked the man "Sir, are you at a party?" The customer admitted he was, and asked the rep how he knew. The rep told him "because you've been parked in the same place for the last five hours."

39 posted on 08/26/2002 7:04:21 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: Richard Kimball
Whooops, sorry, I was getting search happy. :-)

The technology is out there, and I am not a tin-foil hat kinda person, but I trust the government less and less, especially when they tell me that they are doing anything for my own good, including spying on me.

40 posted on 08/26/2002 7:16:59 PM PDT by RikaStrom
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