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To: Viva Le Dissention
As it is right now, we're not free, so the faster we reach that breaking point, the better we'll be. I think it's better to suffer greatly for a shorter period of time than languish in a pseudo-free existance for an indefinite period of time.

This "we're not free" stuff is usually associated with a bong-head who invokes the founding fathers in his selfish desire to get high, or some "constitutionalist" who rails because he has to get a license to drive. Are you "suffering" because your head's not in a cloud of smoke?

I said all of this to say, that from my position on the far right, a D being elected certainly isn't a tragedy; in fact, it might be a step in the right direction to achieving the ultimate goal.

See what I mean? You'd rather have Hillary Clinton as president because you mistakenly think that, finally, most Americans will come around to your point of view.

Until you guys actually figure out how to sell your libertarianism to your fellow citizens you're going to remain on the sidelines, bitching and bellyaching.

22 posted on 08/26/2002 9:07:13 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
This "we're not free" stuff is usually associated with a bong-head who invokes the founding fathers in his selfish desire to get high, or some "constitutionalist" who rails because he has to get a license to drive. Are you "suffering" because your head's not in a cloud of smoke?

I'm presuming that you're being stupid in order to try and make a point. But I'll humor you, for the moment, and illustrate. I can't buy a gun anywhere in the US without a license or a background check. You call that free? We have "free" speech, but oh wait--check that, we have regulations for "time, place, and manner," and oh, by the way, don't try and publish anything that might be classified as a "state secret," or the government will come after you. Oh, we have "free" speech and association, sure--but we're not free to associate in a K-Mart parking lot or participate in nude dancing at the strip club or publish what is deemed "obscene" without government coming and throwing us in jail. We're "free," as long as we're not deemed "enemy combatants" by the government, in which case we'll just be thrown in jail for God knows how long without any sort or rights. We're "free," but not free to purchase products from overseas competitors without involving government in the form of customs and taxes without breaking the law. We're "free," but I'm not free to hire the people I so choose without breaking the law if I choose to hire a Mexican that hasn't submitted to the government yet for identification and conditioning. Please.

As far as Hillary goes, I have no love for the woman and I hope she doesn't get elected President, but she's no whit different than Bush. Bush wants to expand prescription drug care for the elderly--sounds remarkably like Hillary's health care plan of several years ago, doesn't it? Bush is "anti" gun control, but oh--of course we need "reasonable" laws for guns. Bush is for free trade, oh well, as long as that doesn't include steel or lumber.

I don't care how we end up where we'll eventually end up. If you think the Rs are the answer, you're just lying to yourself.

38 posted on 08/27/2002 6:55:35 AM PDT by Viva Le Dissention
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