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To: Diamond
This is what I gather from your argument:

1. Somewhere, there may be evidence that God exists, you just haven't seen it. Presumably, its hiding under a rock.
2. Therefore, you should just assume that God exists.

There is plenty of evidence that the world was created solely through natural phenomena. As such, there is no need for a God.

The best you can do is the expression of a personal doubt, namely that you haven't come across any evidence that you are willing to regard as providing a rational basis for belief in any divine or supernatural being.

Um, is that wrong? Unless you can give me a reason, supported by logic or evidence, to believe in anything, I won't believe in it. That includes God, cold fusion, the Easter Bunny, and Martha Stewart's imClone alibi.

135 posted on 08/22/2002 1:33:17 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
Very interesting discussion going on in here. I would argue that it is not a matter of finding evidence but what you accept as evidence that is critical. An atheist can find no evidence of God in the universe, a religious person may see nothing but evidence of God. Both are merely opinions because neither view can be proven or disproved empirically. Hence the term faith.

As for Islam being a religion, I think it's safe to say it is in the same way it one might say a dictatorship is a form of government. The problem is that it is only purports to be a religion of peace if everyone is in perfect submission to Allah. I'll take Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on my door with literature over Muslims knocking on my building with a plane every time.

142 posted on 08/22/2002 3:50:45 PM PDT by Allrightnow
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To: andy_card
Very interesting discussion going on in here. I would argue that it is not a matter of finding evidence but what you accept as evidence that is critical. An atheist can find no evidence of God in the universe, a religious person may see nothing but evidence of God. Both are merely opinions because neither view can be proven or disproved empirically.

As for Islam being a religion, I think it's safe to say it is in the same way it one might say a dictatorship is a form of government. The problem is that it is only purports to be a religion of peace if everyone is in perfect submission to Allah. I'll take Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on my door with literature over Muslims knocking on my building with a plane every time.

143 posted on 08/22/2002 3:52:57 PM PDT by Allrightnow
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To: andy_card
Unless you can give me a reason, supported by logic or evidence, to believe in anything, I won't believe in it.

Do you have evidence for everything that you believe?

You for example believe either that something comes from absolute nothing, or that the universe is eternal, without the slightest scintilia of evidence or logic to support either belief.

I and billions of other people happen to think there are pleanty of reasons, supported by logic and evidence, to believe in the existence of God.

Cordially,

144 posted on 08/22/2002 6:02:56 PM PDT by Diamond
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To: andy_card
Um, is that wrong?

Um, I'll bet you think using "Um" frequently is clever, don't you?

149 posted on 08/22/2002 7:16:19 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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