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To: supercat
It would seem like the logical thing to do would be to have the chip factory-bonded to a medium-sized piece of metal; heat transfer between the chip and the metal could be better than what's possible with conventional packaging, and heat transfer between the metal and an external heat sink could be better than that between the chip and a heat sink due to the larger surface area of contact. Am I missing anything in my thinking?

Thermal expansion comes to mind. The chip carrier is ceramic, and the metal bonded to it will expand or contract at a different rate than the ceramic carrier, so it would probably pop right off just due to the heat stress before too long. Unless you had some sort of mechanical attachment, like bolting it directly to the carrier.

But that would still increase the size and weight of the thing. Aside from purely engineering problems, the reason I suspect they don't do something like that is because it leaves system manufacturers free to find a heat solution that fits their needs - a big block of aluminum works fine in a nice, roomy desktop, but you want something cleverer and more streamlined in a laptop, for example.

Heat dissipation is basically a function of the surface area of the object, so all a heat sink really does is increase the surface area - how it's actually configured really doesn't matter much. So maybe something thin and wide for a laptop or rackmount, versus big and blocky for a desktop. And anything you attach beforehand just increases the size and makes it less attractive to folks with space constraints.

18 posted on 08/18/2002 10:06:14 PM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re
Thermal expansion comes to mind. The chip carrier is ceramic, and the metal bonded to it will expand or contract at a different rate than the ceramic carrier, so it would probably pop right off just due to the heat stress before too long. Unless you had some sort of mechanical attachment, like bolting it directly to the carrier.

Your point about thermal expansion is a good one, though there are some metal alloys with very low coefficients of thermal expansion. Don't know how expensive the cheapest of those are.

But that would still increase the size and weight of the thing. Aside from purely engineering problems, the reason I suspect they don't do something like that is because it leaves system manufacturers free to find a heat solution that fits their needs - a big block of aluminum works fine in a nice, roomy desktop, but you want something cleverer and more streamlined in a laptop, for example.

I wasn't imagining that the chip have some monstrous metal thing on top of it. Rather, my thinking was that rather than having the chip in a ceramic or epoxy carrier, it should be enclosed in a metal carrier with enough metal to ensure that the entire case would get unacceptably hot before any part of the chip was damaged by overheating, and to provide a larger area for a heat sink to bond to.

Heat dissipation is basically a function of the surface area of the object, so all a heat sink really does is increase the surface area - how it's actually configured really doesn't matter much. So maybe something thin and wide for a laptop or rackmount, versus big and blocky for a desktop. And anything you attach beforehand just increases the size and makes it less attractive to folks with space constraints.

Heat sinks can serve four purposes: (1) increase surface area, as you said, (2) provide thermal coupling between a heat source and a [more broadly defined] heat sink [e.g. a car stereo amp may have a heat sink which bolts to the frame of the car; the heat sink transfers heats from the transistors to the car's frame which can in turn dissipate a lot of heat]; (3) ensure that no part of a device gets too much hotter than any other. Some components such as BJT's can be prone to localized thermal runaway if not heat sinked, even when the total heat dissipation would otherwise be within device limits. Additionally, some devices or systems have thermal shutdown circuitry which must get hot enough to trip before any part of the system gets hot enough to be damaged; (4) increase the thermal time constant of the system, to allow a useful reaction to an overheating condition before any damage occurs [e.g. a piece of equipment might switch to an orderly-shutdown mode if the heat sink can absorb enough heat to let the orderly shutdown complete].

All of these purposes would be enhanced if chips were housed in metal-topped cases.

55 posted on 08/21/2002 12:09:53 AM PDT by supercat
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