How 'Gay' Activists Smeared Father Mychal Judge

Culture and Family ^ | June 28, 2002 | Dennis Lynch

[JMJ333]

That was a very nice tribute to Father Michael. I pray the truth will win out and the slander will cease against him.

[RAT Patrol]

What is sad is that anyone should care either way, on either side of the issue. He never disgraced his position, and brought much comfort and joy to all those with whom he was associated. For me, that is more than enough. For me, that is everything.No one should be lied about after they are dead, especially for political purposes. That should matter. That is what is sad. Would you be outraged if the lie had been told the other way around? That is the true test of how much you care.

[TheEngineer]

I am familiar with the gay activists tactics. They lie all the time...big and small. Their biggest lie is telling themselves that they are the norm, and heterosexuals are the abnorms.

Bump. I totally agree. The gays that I have met are generally some of the biggest bunch of liars anywhere. They lie about anything... big or small. Perhaps it is from living a life dedicated to hiding the truth about themselves with lies. Whatever their reasons are, though, I just don't believe anything they say. Plain and simple.

[ELS]

Thanks for the link to the search results. On one of the earlier threads, I had posted a letter from someone who knew Fr. Judge from the Flight 800 incident.

[GovernmentShrinker]

Oh, and by the way.....anyone who is described as "gay", as I understand the term to be defined in the gay community, is not celibate. "Gay" describes a worldview and way of life that doesn't include celibacy,

I can't imagine where you got this idea, but it certainly isn't accurate. No one in the gay community would assume that because someone identifies themselves as gay, that person has necessarily had physical homosexual experience. The term describes an orientation, not a sexual history, just as the term straight or heterosexual would not be assumed to automatically imply sexually experienced. Most people -- gay or straight -- have an idea of their sexual orientation long before they actually have sex. All the evidence suggests that Father Judge self-identified as gay, but no evidence I've seen suggests that he didn't adhere his priestly vow of celibacy.

[JohnLoyRocker]

Thanks for re-posting this, I missed it the first time.

Don't know if the father was a[n?] homo or not.

If his flock stands up for him, and he never buggered any altar boys, that's good enough for me (besides the fact that he died ministering to his flock, which I personally would find hard to believe in any of the today's homo deviants).

In the old days, (pre-1973 APA de-classification of homo's as sexual deviants), if a priest was a homo, he knew it was deviant behavior and (hopefully) channeled his deviance into "pennace" and doing good (the freaks out in society stayed in the closet or risked getting rightfully shunned and/or bashed).

Those days are long gone and our society has reaped what the APA and the homo agenda has sown.

What I do know is all the liberal ink it got in the press and toob.

"Homo priest this, Homo priest that"

Disgusting.

Typical homo agenda stuff.

How about the press headlining

99.99999% HETEROSEXUAL, FAMILY, MEN AND WOMEN died in the 9/11 attack? ? ! ! !

Again I don't know about the father, but how about the press even advertising that the a

NON-PEDOPHILE, NON-HOMOSEXUAL priest had died in the 9/11 attack?

If the father was the man the article says he was, then I feel sorry his legacy has been despoiled by the homo agenda. It doesn't suprise me in the least however.

If you were a sexual deviant and had somehow (inexplicably, unbelievably) managed to con society into thinking it was acceptable, wouldn't you test the limits of how far you could go? Sex with boy scouts, sex with children, sex with your OWN children, sex with animals, sex with everything!

p.s.
If you doubt anything I've said, read Chapter 4, "The Gay Subculture; How Homosexual Politics Discriminates Against Healthy, Heterosexual Seminarians" in Michael S. Rose's "Goodbey, Good Men".

p.p.s.
I dare ANYONE to find and post a copy of the 1973 APA book TOC which lists homo's right up there with pedophiles and all the other philes.

p.p.p.s.
Any bets that Slick Willy prefers the "hersey highway", even if it is with women? Makes perfect sense to me. With all his other deviant behaviors, why should anal sex be taboo?

Whoops, I think I hear a Charlton Heston movie on the toob, gotta run.

[lentulusgracchus]

No one in the gay community would assume that because someone identifies themselves as gay, that person has necessarily had physical homosexual experience. The term describes an orientation, not a sexual history, just as the term straight or heterosexual would not be assumed to automatically imply sexually experienced.

Well, I certainly didn't pull my definition from APA; but as I understand the history, reading about the redefinition of homosexuality in DSM-III, the APA got rolled anyway by politically motivated gay members, so that their science on the subject of homosexuality has been corrupted by politics, guarded by committees, and informed by and an agenda ever since.

I derived my working definition of "gay" (as opposed to merely homosexual) from listening (reading) self-aware gay activists on Salon "TableTalk" bloviate about what it is to be gay, how horrible straight people are, and so on. The way they were using the term "gay" seems to have awareness and orientation and self-acceptance benchmarks rolled into the meaning, such that a self-hating, closeted Kinsey 6 isn't necessarily "gay".

"Gay" to these people (there were men and lesbians both) means not only being homosexual to some undefined degree of preference, but also "out", self-accepting, and self-affirming, fully "in the life" and even implicitly aggressive toward the prevailing culture, which they define as "heterosexist" (which is used very nearly interchangably with "homophobic" in their speech). "Heterosexist" appears, then, to be very nearly the complementary term to "gay". The pair "gay/straight" is still used, but so many negative attitudes and stereotypic habits are imputed by these gays to the straights they talk about, that the term "heterosexist" would seem to be the complementary adjective on the other side of the orientation/preference fence.

Mind you, I'm just describing the usage I've encountered in the last couple of years among a self-selected group of active, assertive, articulate gays.

[lentulusgracchus]

Angelfire has a page or two on gays who died in the World Trade Center, including some number of policemen and firemen. The page is still active, and the people who died were turned in by their other halves or boy/girlfriends. Most of those turned in were in long-term relationships; a few anonymous testimonials were offered concerning closeted or short-term friends. I don't have the link, but you can try the sitemap.

[TiaS]

This incident is not an aberration but typical of activists in the gay community -- they take such pride in what they do. That is their right but I wish they'd leave the rest of us out of the equation. My relationship to God, Jesus, and Church is on quite sacred ground -- please don't trample on it -- thank you.

[narses]

Thanks for the timely post.

[Romulus]

I'm not going to get into semantics with you.

That's what caught liars always say -- as is questioning what the meaning of "is" is.

[eastsider]

Although the secular term "gay" might be ambiguous concerning the actual sexual experience of an individual, IMO it suffers no ambiguity whatsoever as to whether same-sex attraction is intrinsically disordered. Those who identify themselves as "gay" believe that same-sex attraction is a contingent variant of human sexuality, analogous to being left-handed. In contrast, the Catholic Church has always taught that same-sex attraction is intrinsically disordered.

For a lengthy but worthwhile article concerning same-sex semantics, I recommend "Catholic Language Regarding Homosexuality."

[lentulusgracchus]

Thank you for the link. Yes, gays regard the word "gay" as connoting either a neutral (or positive) attribute, like your example of handedness. The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Discrimination (GLAAD/glaad.org), in their online guide for journalists, criticizes the use of the word "homosexual" as excessively clinical and freighted with "old" pre-DSM-III attitudes, and they urge the use of "gay" instead.

Personally, I bellyfeel doubleplusgood duckspeakers.

[NYer]

9-11 HERO BUMP!

The men seen carrying the body of Fr. Mychal Judge in that graphic, were spared death. Only seconds after that picture was shot, the second tower fell. In deciding to carry the body of Fr. Judge from where he was felled, their lives were saved. Had they remained at their posts, they too would have been victims of this tragic assault on America. Even in death, Fr. Judge continued to save lives.

[american colleen]

My God. How incredible.

I watched, on and off, the Masses today on EWTN and one of the speakers at the Cathedral in Washington spoke at length about Fr. Judge. He was an incredibly faith filled priest. How lucky we are to know him, even now. One of him makes up for so many of the other kind of priests. Fr. Judge is closer to almost all the priests I've met in my lifetime - I've, thank God, never known a "bad" priest.

[mickie]

Thanks for bringing this thread up again.
Just tonight at a special Mass we prayed for Fr.Judge, along with another priest and some Chester Country people who lost their lives at WTC.
What a terrible thing to trash someone who cannot defend himself.
To use his name to advance their cause in unspeakable!

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

Thank you for posting this. The evil left that got God's rath at Sodom and Gommora wants to legitimcise their existance. they make such claims as this about Father Mike to do so. May God be as merciful to the souls of such abonibly evil persons as these accusers and the gullible media as he was to those evil souls in Sodom & Gommora(less Lot and his family).

[Incorrigible]

Bump.

[Dajjal]

NationalReviewOnline: The Corner

MYCHAL, JUDGED

by Rod Dreher
Posted July 3, 2002 11:33 AM

Here's an essay that's been making the conservative Catholic rounds, asserting that the hero priest of 9/11, Fire Department of New York chaplain Mychal Judge, was not a homosexual. The author, Dennis Lynch, says he and others who knew Fr. Judge for some time never had the slightest hint that he was gay. That may be true, but that proves nothing. In fact, a number of people close to Judge, including former FDNY Commissioner Thomas von Essen, have said Fr. Judge came out to them (it seems beyond doubt that Fr. Judge affiliated himself with the dissenting gay Catholic group Dignity). Others close to him - like his brother Franciscan Brian Jordan - say they never knew about his private life. One friend of the late priest's said Judge was careful not to out himself to friends and congregants he figured might be upset by this knowledge. Fr. Judge's homosexuality does not take away from the fact that he did a world of good for the men and women of New York, and that he died heroically. Nor does his good work posthumously baptize his dissent from Church teaching, or prove the Church wrong, as some gay activists would have it. All can agree he was a flawed but good-hearted man who was loving, and was loved, and who died on a mission of mercy. Beyond that, I say it's up to God.

[Salvation]

I saw an interview with someone who had written a book about Fr. Mychal Judge today, and he said he was a very good and holy priest (emphasizing that phrase) who was gay.