How 'Gay' Activists Smeared Father Mychal Judge

Culture and Family ^ | June 28, 2002 | Dennis Lynch

[lentulusgracchus]

Okay, thanks for trying to check it out, and I don't know either .... but if someone warns us that a poisoned cup is being passed around, maybe it'd be prudent to wait for an unopened Coke.

ontos-on: Isn't that Greek for "being of the being"? What do you mean it to signify? Just curious.

[Torie]

I'm not going to get into semantics with you. I stated what I thought. I linked an article. There are many more. And I think highly of the man. End of story.

[lentulusgracchus]

It isn't semantics, it's a question of epistemology and justice. Are you going to let gay activists and their buddies in the media lie to you and steal an exemplary man to be an icon for their cause post mortem? So to do would be a shameful thing. Doesn't that matter? If I claimed a commercial or political endorsement from someone who'd just died, what would that make me?

If you want to continue to believe the stories because it pleases you, that's something different. And yes, that would be the end of the subject.

I just don't like liars and thieves. Sorry if you feel I'm scratching a personal itch at public expense.

[ontos-on]

"And so are you, Torie, if you do not think that it matters."

You are too cavalier in dismissing me. Do you pretend not to see the conditional in my statement about you: IF YOU DO NOT THINK IT MATTERS. The issue is not whether YOU think the man was a homosexual or engaged in such acts. The issue is not whether YOU care about it either. The original poster was posting about the claims shouted from the rooftop about this priest, to the effect that he WAS "openly gay" i.e. that he did engage in homosexual acts even though he was a priest. The "unfortunate" thing was that campaign to charaterize him as a"gay priest".

That is where the discussion of his sexuality began. That was character assination and impugning the integrity of the church, catholics, this priest, and most slyly, the firemen. You should not try to paint this as both sides are bad situation. That is where you are detestable if you insist on doing that.

Do not foul the issue by complainng about a discussion of the priest's sexuality. Only one side did that. The other is correcting it by saying it was false. There is no room for you to inject your desire to be morally equivalent.

I am going to speak the truth and say your evident wish to cloud this issue is, indeed, detestable. Calling something as you see it does not relieve you of the responsibility of trying to be responsible and getting it right. Your distillation of my original posting into pablum about " a discussion about sexuality" and your trying to make yourself appear as the victim of mindless "name-calling" only amounts to another indulgence of your moral blindness.

[ontos-on]

Yes, it is Greek for the beingly being. It was a phrase Plato uses to signify the really real. I am not, obviously, ascribing it to myself. It's aspirational. That is not an entirely satisfactory reason to use it as a name for the internet, but it goes back to my first days on the internet and frustration at my lack of ability to come up with a name that was not already being used. It was the result of an attempt to think of something that would not likely already be in use. It stuck. Congratulations, you are the first, after many years, to nail it.

[Torie]

That is a very well written and cogent post. But I stand on my prior briefs, and give you the last word. It is now up to the public square to pass judgment.

[Selara]

I never thought he was a homosexual. I am familiar with the gay activists tactics. They lie all the time...big and small. Their biggest lie is telling themselves that they are the norm, and heterosexuals are the abnorms.

All those firemen are not likely to be such good friends with a priest who is a homosexual.

Thanks for the good article on Father Mychal.

[Tribune7]

A leftist-make-you-sick bump.

[Tribune7]

A boycott-the-dailies (especially USA Today and the New York Times) bump.

[lentulusgracchus]

I read the article about the Christian Coalition's petition in Miami (Dade County), and it's hard to tell who's lying, and whether they're being railroaded or just policed up.

The statement by the gay-rights organization makes it sound more like they're innocent, but why would the county prosecutor spend so much time on an investigation if they were following the law?

I don't know what to think about that one. If the gay-rights crowd has "gone black" and is now using Ruby Ridge tactics on their opponents in friendly jurisdictions, then that is only a taste of what's going to be happening in a few years. One almost hopes that the Christian Coalition people were in the wrong.

[NYer]

Thanks for the good article on Father Mychal.

Thank you for posting. Your comments make good sense and are truly valued. It's so unfortunate that a group would stoop this low to defame the dead.

Last week, I heard a priest discussing the incident that took place at St. Patrick's Cathedral, when John Cardinal O'Connor was still alive. The group ActUp, came into the cathedral during mass, and tossed condoms at parishioners. Over the next few months, they held protests outside the cathedral, blowing whistles and antagonizing communicants as they entered or left.

Well, it seems that their founder (his name eludes me right now) died this past May. Prior to his death, though, he called for a catholic priest and confessed his sins. In the end, he was buried from a catholic church. Such irony.

[lentulusgracchus]

I ran Torie's posted links, which lead to White Crane, Angelfire, and Gully.com, all gay sites. Brendan Fay is prominent in the stories on each, except for the brief Angelfire posting, which is part of a larger page dedicated to gay people who were killed in the World Trade Center attacks, or who died of injuries some time later.

If Brendan Fay is a worm in the apple, he has a lot to answer for. Fr. Mychal is posted up on Angelfire as "openly gay", which would not have been correct if he were celibate (see my post above). I parsed the White Crane article closely, which was written by an activist (he actually buttonholed Cardinal Edward Egan at Fr. Mychal's funeral and challenged the Cardinal in his beliefs -- the act of a committed ideologue and zealot), and nowhere does he name anyone who was Fr. Mychal's putative boyfriend or partner or who would confirm that yes, Fr. Mychal was actively gay. The assertion is there; the corroboration is not. Just the author of the White Crane article, and the ubiquitous Brendan Fay.

I've read it all, and I still don't know what to think; but it sure sounds to me like Brendan Fay is a wrong number deluxe.

[agrace]

I missed it the first time around and very much appreciate you posting it this time.

[lentulusgracchus]

Aha, well, I didn't nail it, I thought ontos was the genitive singular of the present participle -- but it's obviously an omega in the ending instead, since you say it's an adverb.

Thanks for the explanation. Plato, eh? Hmmm, the rent seems to be going up -- LOL!

[lentulusgracchus]

He never disgraced his position, and brought much comfort and joy to all those with whom he was associated.

I agree with you about that. I would hope that that will be what he is remembered for.

[Salvation]

Here you go -- From most recent postings back to when he died.

They are all on the News/Activism Forum (before the change in format on FR)

How 'Gay' Activists Smeared Father Mychal Judge

September 11th Hijacking: How "Gay" Activists Smeared Father Mychal Judge

A 9/11 Hijacking: How 'Gay' Activists Smeared Father Mychal Judge

Mychal Judge Law Angers Conservatives

Firefighter Chaplain Mychal Judge killed in WTC was Gay. Does it Matter?

[RnMomof7]

Thank you for the article. As I watched the CNN special today and saw his picture I was saddened that the question of his faithfulness to his vows was questioned...

[Salvation]

Oops, I guess the first reference was THIS thread. Sorry, NYer, I thought you had posted it in the Religion Forum.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

BUMP!

The Truth About Father Mike

The truth is that Father Mychal F. Judge, O.F.M., was a wonderful Catholic priest. Father Mike saw Christ in everyone. He ministered to everyone with a smile, a prayer and the love of Jesus Christ in his heart. Father Mike was tireless in living a life as a Priest modeled after St. Francis of Assisi. Although homosexual activists have hijacked this truth, I know that, from heaven, Father Mike would want you to know the truth about him. He would also want you to pray for those who bear false witness. Most of all, Father Mike would care not that you remember him, but that you remember and live the Prayer of St. Francis.