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For most of the Oregonians in Portland and the university cities/towns and Ashland, it is not a matter of realization of the dangers of these fires to those living around the fires.

Their reality is that they hate and despise or at the least have no concern about farmers, ranchers and those who live around these forests. As far as they are concerned, no one should live around a forest. That is evil and should not be allowed. They still despise the farmers and ranchers in the Klamath Basin, whom escaped the rural cleansing attempt on them last year.

These Portland people will never change. For decades they have been under educated while brain washed that the Green Agendas are good. That farming,logging, ranching, fishing and living near their Druid Cathedrals is evil. So they are the loyal Green Voting cults for Katz, Kitz and the rats who control Oregon for the Criminally Insane Green Jihadists who hate people. They are walking Watermelon Voting Cultists mouthing the Green Mantras.

Morning Grampa Dave,

Update from the Apple fire on the North Umpqua. I'm adding a few details just for other Oregonians that are familiar with this area.

Fire started at 50 acres Friday afternoon/evening and is at about 5,000 acres by this morning (Sunday). Highway 138 between Roseburg (Glide) and Diamond Lake was closed as of 5 a.m. this morning between milepost 38 and milepost 50 due to smoke and fire danger. Small community store and a few residents at Dry Creek are stuck smack dab in the middle of the closure. Roseburg is the closest town to where we live (65 miles) so access for food/mail/medical emergency is cut-off unless you make a tortured, windy 120 mile detour.

To visualize the closure: With the closure between the "X"s

Roseburg..Glide......X----Dry Creek---X...Me...Diamond Lake

The fire is not burning in....or near to...any wilderness areas. But it IS very difficult to fight because of the steep terrain and gusting winds up the canyons. And that's the news from here!( Cough, cough...choke.....)

an update dated today

Daily Biscuit Fire News Release
August 18, 2002
Grants Pass, Oregon
A well attended fire Information Meeting was held at the community center in Agness, Oregon last night. Concerned community members expressed their appreciation as officials discussed current fire strategies and answered many questions.
Favorable north winds combined with ideal burning conditions allowed burn-out to progress rapidly in Zones 1, and 4. However, these same winds have created a challenge with holding lines on the east portion of Zone 1. Some spotting occurred, but crew and aircraft were able to contain the spots. All lines are holding at this time. Smoke from the fire has the potential to negatively impact the communities of Gasquet, Hiouchi, Crescent City, Arcata, and Eureka.

Zone 1: Favorable winds on the north portion of Zone 1 have allowed burn-out to progress rapidly. Burn-out will continue to occur as conditions allow. In the east, burn-out and holding of containment lines continue, winds have challenged the lines at time. In the southeast and south patrolling by aircraft and crews are occurring. The threat to these areas has diminished, however, spread to the northeast will continue and unburned islands will burn vigorously.

Zone 2: Zone 2 has been declared 100% contained, however aerial patrol of all perimeter line is continuing. Crews continue to patrol fire lines, monitor the interior portion of the fire and work on rehabilitation projects throughout the zone. Rehabilitation throughout the zone is occurring to prepare fire lines with exposed soil for winter rains. Interior islands of fuel will continue to burn, however the fire’s perimeter is not expected to spread.
Zone 3: It is anticipated that the northern 2/3 section of the fire in this zone will continue to move west and southwest. Where conditions permit, crews are constructing fire lines closer to the front of the fire in a more direct strategy for containing the fire. Improvement of indirect lines continues as a precaution. Some small spot fires were detected and quickly lined during last night’s burn-out operations. The structure protection groups have completed preparing structures and are in place in Wilderness Retreat, Gardiner Ridge, the Chetco and Pistol River areas. They continue to prepare structures in the Winchuck River area.
Zone 4: Heavy fuels, very low relative humidities, and historic dry conditions are making the fire difficult to control in this zone. The fire will continue to spread to the north and west into the Lawson Creek drainage and to the southwest in the Snow Camp area. It is a top priority to contain the spot fire in the Mineral Hill area. Nightly burn-out operations will proceed as conditions allow to further protect Agness and Oak Flat.

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Evacuations and Closures
The evacuation notice for the entire Illinois Valley was lifted at 8 a.m. August 16, 2002.
The evacuation order is still in effect for Oak Flat and Spud Road residents in Curry County. Structure protection engines are located in the area to provide protection to existing homes and outbuildings.
An evacuation shelter has been set up at the Riley Creek School in Gold Beach.
Pre-evacuation advisory remains in effect for the residents of Agness, Illahe, Cate Road, Gardner Ridge north of Wilson Prairie, the Upper Pistol River drainage near Gardner Ranch, and Wilderness Retreat to prepare for an evacuation if conditions were to change.
Expected Weather Conditions
Light winds, low humidity, and temperatures between 72-90o. Firefighters will continue to burnout and strengthen lines as conditions allow.
Biscuit Fire Facts
The entire fire is estimated to be 435,654 acres in size and is approximately 35 percent contained. The part of the fire burning in California (Zone 2) is 100% contained.

The fire is the top priority for the Pacific Northwest Region with 6,270 personnel representing various federal, state, local and private agencies and organizations. The Oregon National Guard, the Oregon State Fire Marshall, firefighters from Canada, Australia and New Zealand as well as 252 fire engines, 85 dozers and 40 helicopters and aircraft are providing support to the incident.

Biscuit Fire Background
The Biscuit Fire – estimated to be one of the largest in Oregon recorded history -- encompasses most of the Kalmiopsis Wilderness and stretches from 10 miles east of the coastal community of Bookings, Oregon, south into California, east to the Illinois Valley and north to within a few miles of the Rogue River. The fire encompasses lands in Oregon’s Josephine and Curry Counties and Del Norte County in California.

Biscuit Fire Management
The Southwest Oregon National Interagency Area Command Team is under the leadership of Unified Commanders Rex Mann and Mark Labhart. Area Command is managing the entire fire from a center in Medford, OR, setting common objectives and strategies for firefighters.
The Biscuit Fire is divided into four administrative zones that are managed by incident management teams. The teams are coordinating fire line construction, burn out operations and structural and rural community protection:

Zone 1 manages the eastern flank of the fire north of the California State Line. Its command center is located at Lake Selmac, OR. The zone also maintains a large camp located in Merlin, OR.

Zone 2, is managing the southern portion of the fire that is burning in northern California from a command center east of Brookings.

Zone 3, with a command center east of Brookings, OR, manages the southwest portion of the fire.

Zone 4, is managing the northwestern portion of the fire from a command center in Gold Beach, Oregon. The zone also maintains a large camp located at the Quosatana recreation site on the Rogue River.
Zone command center representatives have been coordinating with local officials and conducting meetings to inform the public about important safety and evacuation issues.