[Cultural Jihad]

The cause of abandoned children is not Congress or laws or government. The cause of abandoned children are the parents who abandon or renounce them. If you don't like child support laws then you should work to make people more personally responsible for their actions.

Here is the moral-liberal dictum: "Allow me to be irresponsible, and in return I'll allow you all to pay for the consequences of my irresponsibility."

[RogerFGay]

The cause of abandoned children is not Congress or laws or government. The cause of abandoned children are the parents who abandon or renounce them.

If you want the subject to be "abandoned children" we'll be off on another track. But I have the feeling that you're inventing your own world. You'll be able to logically prove anything you want to in your imaginary world.

If you don't like child support laws then you should work to make people more personally responsible for their actions.

I am. The only way to do that is to remove government control far enough that people are able to make their own decisions and act on them without shooting a lot of policemen first.

Here is the moral-liberal dictum: "Allow me to be irresponsible, and in return I'll allow you all to pay for the consequences of my irresponsibility."

You're trying to start that argument with the wrong person. Maybe you can find the right target at TurnLeft.com

[Don Joe]

"The cause of abandoned children is not Congress or laws or government. The cause of abandoned children are the parents who abandon or renounce them. If you don't like child support laws then you should work to make people more personally responsible for their actions.

"Here is the moral-liberal dictum: 'Allow me to be irresponsible, and in return I'll allow you all to pay for the consequences of my irresponsibility.'"

Wow! What a horsepile of orwellian doublespeak.

Name me another "crime" (besides fatherhood) in which the victim is charged with the crime?

A woman abandons the family unit, absconding with the children, and it's the father who's up for punishment due to the "consequences of his irresponsibility"?

Nifty.

Next, let's start prosecuting rape victims because without their participation, the crime would never have occurred.