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Smith and Sununu stress differences
Manchester Union Leader ^ | August 13, 2002 | Mark Hayward

Posted on 08/16/2002 9:01:12 AM PDT by rightwing2

Smith and Sununu stress differences
By MARK HAYWARD
Manchester Union Leader Staff, 8-13-02


DERRY — The Derry widow of a man who died in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks last night confronted U.S. Rep. John E. Sununu over his vote against establishing a commission to investigate the terrorist attacks against the United States. Ellen Mariani, whose husband, Louis “Neil” Mariani was on United Airlines Flight 175, was a panelist at a debate between Sununu and incumbent U.S. Sen. Bob Smith at WNDS-TV studios. The two are seeking the Republican nomination to the U.S. Senate.

While the two have been genial in past forums, they aggressively differed with one another last night, especially when they posed questions to each other. New issues surfaced — Sununu’s vote on the terrorism commission, international trade, immigration and investigating OPEC price fixing. And they revisited old issues with gusto — drilling in the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge and importing prescription drugs from Canada. Throughout it, they accused one another of distorting facts and at times, flip-flopping.

The Union Leader and WMUR are producing a live debate pairing Smith and Sununu on Thursday, Aug. 29. The hour-long debate will be shown on Channel 9 at 7 p.m. Mariani focused on Sununu’s vote on House Roll Call 347, which would have established a National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States. It failed 219-188. “We would like to find out what happened on Sept. 11 and we are being blocked,” Mariani told Sununu. Sununu said the commission would have had a limited scope of investigation. He favored a joint, bipartisan investigation now going on by the House and Senate intelligence committees. “We need a broader view, a broader investigation,” he said.

But Mariani said she wasn’t satisfied with Sununu’s answers. She said the hearings are taking place behind closed doors. Sununu said he supports public hearings on the matter, eventually. Smith said he supports finding out if someone in the federal government had some responsibility or knowledge about the attacks. A question by a Concord apple grower about dumping and retaliatory tariffs prompted a debate on free trade. Sununu said he strongly supports free trade. “Free trade is good for our farmers because we’re so productive,” Sununu said. And agriculture would benefit greatly from free trade, he said. But Smith said dumping does occur, and trade isn’t always free or fair. Sununu noted that Smith calls himself a free trader in the media, but has voted against trade deals for the Caribbean, South America and Africa.

Smith said he supported trade pacts under the Reagan and Bush administrations. But Smith opposed trade deals with China sought by former President Clinton, he said. “The difference between us, John, with all due respect, is you’ll do trade with China, regardless,” Smith said. In Derry, 450 people at Sanmina Corp. just lost their jobs to Chinese trade, he said. Sununu said free trade would allow companies like Sanmina to own and operate companies in China. “We export American ideas, work ethic, even political freedom by doing so,” Sununu said.

Sununu asked Smith why he “flip-flopped” on ANWR drilling, supporting it twice in 1995 and now opposing it. Smith countered that Sununu opposed oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. He also said that Sununu was one of only 38 House representatives to oppose an investigation into oil price fixing by the OPEC. “OPEC price fixes because it’s OPEC . . . Of course they fix prices, by definition,” Sununu said. “I wish you were as concerned about getting MtBE out of the ground water in New Hampshire as you are concerned about getting oil out of the ground in Alaska,” Smith said.

The two butted heads on immigration issues. Smith attacked Sununu for supporting amnesty for aliens. They both argued about whether the legislation covered illegal aliens or not. “You totally misrepresent the law,” Sununu said at one point. All covered by the law are eligible for permanent residency, he said. Smith: “Not all of them.” Sununu: “The President supports it, and to suggest . . .” Smith: “What’s that got to do with it?” Smith said his only suggestion is that illegal aliens will be given amnesty while others have to wait in line.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: 2002senateelection; senate; smith; sununu
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I watched this debate in its entirity on C-SPAN Monday night. This debate presented a classic ideological battle between a candidate that articulated the conservative position (Smith) and a candidate that articulated a different position that could only be described as non-conservative or perhaps even libertarian. The two clashed on three main issues. The first was trade. Sununu supports the Clintonian policy of permanent Most Favored Nation trade status/taxpayer subsidized trade with and WTO membership for Communist China a policy that amounts to rank appeasement of the Butchers of Beijing. US taxpayer subsidized trade with Communist China serves to prolong and empower the Communist regime there with a hundred billion in US trade surplus dollars a year with which to fund their nuclear missile buildup and internal repression apparatus. On the other hand, Senator Smith did an excellent job of championing the conservative anti-Communist position in opposing taxpayer subsidized trade, aid and appeasement of Communist China.

The second major point of debate hovered around Sununu's vote to force the US intelligence community to provide classified information to suspected terrorists and thus compromise collection methods and perhaps even the lives of our intelligence agents. Sununu, who is of both Palestinian and Lebanese descent and who has received money from pro-terrorist Arab organizations in the US in the past, rigorously defended what he described as the constitutional rights of suspected terrorists and his vote to provide them with classified information. Sununu has been a consistant supporter of the formation of an independent Palestinian state presumably dominated by the terrorist PLO.

The final major difference between the candidates outlined at the debate was on the issue of immigration. Sen. Smith chastised Sununu for providing the one-vote margin for passing a bill that would have granted amnesty for up to 2 million illegal aliens. Sununu has consistantly supported measures designed to encourage illegal aliens to break the law and enter and remain in the United States. Illegal aliens are responsible for a lot of the increase in the commission of violent crimes that has occurred in the border states with Mexico.
1 posted on 08/16/2002 9:01:12 AM PDT by rightwing2
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To: rightwing2
Go, Sununu, Go.
2 posted on 08/16/2002 9:04:36 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: rightwing2
That's too bad, 'cause Smith has no chance of winning the general election. I want a winner when the difference between the two candidates is so small.
3 posted on 08/16/2002 9:06:36 AM PDT by The Vast Right Wing
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To: rightwing2
Your summation of the debate reflects all the "unbiased" characteristics of a typical NY Times article.

And your link does not point to any article with this title.

4 posted on 08/16/2002 9:07:10 AM PDT by dead
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To: sonofliberty2; HalfIrish; NMC EXP; OKCSubmariner; Travis McGee; t-shirt; DoughtyOne; SLB; ...
Senator Robert Smith (R-NH) has been consistently rated as the most conservative member of the US Senate during the past 12 years he has spent as a Senator by the Conservative Index of the New American magazine although he fell to 3rd place in the most recent survey. On the other hand, Rep. John Sununu has been a decided moderate over the course of his career scoring a pathetic 40% in the most recent Conservative Index, far below the House Republican average.

Sen. Smith called the Sununu vote to provide classified information to terrorists indefensible because it would put the lives of our intelligence agents at risk. Smith has also been a consistent opponent of illegal immigration and has supported bills to increase US border security, which is, at present, badly broken.
5 posted on 08/16/2002 9:07:19 AM PDT by rightwing2
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To: rightwing2
There is no doubt that Smith should be the supportive one on this site. Remember this is suppose to be a conservative site. Hang in there, Bob.
7 posted on 08/16/2002 9:13:21 AM PDT by Digger
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To: dead
I found the link in the archives. The headline isn't the thread headline, of course.

I will be glad to see Smith out of the Senate, and while his few supporters will be angry and disillusioned, they'll probably get over it eventually.

8 posted on 08/16/2002 9:16:17 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: The Vast Right Wing
That's too bad, 'cause Smith has no chance of winning the general election. I want a winner when the difference between the two candidates is so small.

That's what the liberals and CNN said during the 1996 Election cycle. Guess what, conservative hero Senator Robert Smith won the election even though the liberals said he couldn't. This election is no different except that this time Smith is facing an assault from the left in his own party's primary. If Sununu hadn't forced Smith to waste so much time, money and effort on the primary campaign, Smith would cruise to another re-election. In fact, for all those liberals in both parties that claim he is unelectable, the fact remains that Senator Smith has never lost an election.

It's too bad that you are so willing to sacrifice to conservative principles to get a moderate Republican elected. Unfortunately for you, you'll not get your wish for if Sununu wins the primary he will go down to defeat against Jeane Shanahan. Sununu is a mushy moderate par excellence as proven by his disreputable votes and policy stands in the above-mentioned debates. We need a conservative majority in the Senate, not merely a Republican majority. Senator Smith has provided more conservative leadership in the Senate than any other Senator including Jesse Helms. It would be a veritable disaster for the conservative cause if he were to lose his bid for re-election. Also, don't forget that President Bush endorsed Senator Smith for the US Senate not Johnny boy Sununu!
9 posted on 08/16/2002 9:16:26 AM PDT by rightwing2
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To: rightwing2
I would vote against Smith for one simple reason...

He's a DORK!!!!!

10 posted on 08/16/2002 9:18:38 AM PDT by Johnny Shear
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To: Dog Gone; The Vast Right Wing; 11th Earl of Mar; dead; Coop
I will be glad to see Smith out of the Senate, and while his few supporters will be angry and disillusioned, they'll probably get over it eventually.

Yes, indeed. A Smith defeat would be a smashing victory for the Democrap/RINO cause as it will enable them to retain control of the Senate and further stimy the Bush agenda. Unfortunately, Smith supporters would not forgive the Sununu stabbing of the back of one of our Senate incumbents up for re-election during this critical election season. I suspect that many if not most of them will sit out the election in protest if Sununu were to win the primary and thus ensure that Democrap Jeane Shanahan wins the seat and helps keep the Senate Democrap controlled.
11 posted on 08/16/2002 9:20:57 AM PDT by rightwing2
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To: Johnny Shear
a great conservative God fearing dork too
Go Smith Go
12 posted on 08/16/2002 9:22:06 AM PDT by cactusSharp
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To: rightwing2
Please show us ANY evidence that shows Smith can beat Shaheen.

Smith is already history.

The race is between Sununu and Shaheen.

If the GOP loses this seat, it is Smith's fault.
13 posted on 08/16/2002 9:23:58 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: rightwing2
I wonder why you didn't post this editorial from the same newspaper from two days ago.

Smith’s desperate ploy:
Milking the cash cow



BOB Smith, Washington outsider. Remember him? He was the man who claimed that his intellectual and political independence were good reasons to send him to Washington to represent New Hampshire, a state notable for its intellectual and political independence, in the U.S. House of Representatives, then in the U.S. Senate. My, what a difference two decades can make.

Meet Bob Smith, Washington insider. This Bob Smith is arguing that one of the top reasons, if not the primary reason, voters should elect him to a third term in the U.S. Senate is because he has experience and seniority.

In the face of a tough primary challenge by U.S. Rep. John Sununu, Smith lately has been focusing his campaign on touting his Senate seniority and how much money that seniority can bring back to New Hampshire. Smith has let it be known that he brought “millions and millions” back to the state for University of New Hampshire research and other environmental and transportation projects.

“This doesn’t happen by accident,” Smith said. “Seniority is very, very helpful in getting this done, and the point here is not that I deserve necessarily more credit than somebody else, but the truth . . . seniority does it, and why work outside the seniority system when you can work within it?

Well, one good reason to work outside the seniority system is when the politician with the most seniority shows he is more interested in soaking taxpayers to bring home pork projects to help himself get elected than he is in making government as lean and light on the wallet as possible. Sununu’s response to Smith’s boasting made just this point.

“I’ve had dozens of people come to my office to ask for my support on funding initiatives, and I am willing to help, but I do not measure my success by how much money I spend. I’m more likely to measure success by how much wasteful spending I can eliminate and by cutting taxes and returning that money to the working families of New Hampshire.”

Not that John Sununu refuses to bring back any pork. As Jack Kenny points out in his column to the right, federal spending in Sununu’s district has risen during Sununu’s tenure. All Washington politicians, even fiscal conservatives, bring home some bacon. But there is a difference between bringing the odd project to one’s home district or state, and using as the centerpiece of your campaign the argument that you should be elected because you can bring back more pork than the other guy.

It all boils down to how one views Washington. Is it a cash cow to be milked or a hungry octopus to be wrestled under control? Sen. Smith used to see Washington as an overreaching octopus. Today he is parading around the state showing off his milking gloves, while Sununu is talking about restraining the octopus.


14 posted on 08/16/2002 9:24:21 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: The Vast Right Wing
That's too bad, 'cause Smith has no chance of winning the general election.

The polls say otherwise.

15 posted on 08/16/2002 9:26:33 AM PDT by Coop
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To: rightwing2
A Smith defeat would be a smashing victory for the Democrap/RINO cause

If Smith's defeat would be a victory for the RINO's, why are Christine Todd Whitman and Rudy Guliani campaigning FOR Smith. And why would an ardent pro-lifer ask these two liberals in to make speeches on his behalf?

16 posted on 08/16/2002 9:30:59 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Please show us ANY evidence that shows Smith can beat Shaheen.

Two June 02 polls showed Smith tied with Shaheen and Smith down 47-45%. All this talk that Smith can't beat her is just hooey.

17 posted on 08/16/2002 9:31:55 AM PDT by Coop
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To: rightwing2
On the other hand, Rep. John Sununu has been a decided moderate over the course of his career scoring a pathetic 40% in the most recent Conservative Index, far below the House Republican average.

Where did you get this rating, the John Birch Society?!

Check out National Review online to see that Sununu's lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union is 94, Smith's only 92. Click here

It's astounding how people will make a nickel's worth of difference into a $1 million. All because Smith tends to stoke to the paranoia of the tin-foil hat crowd.

18 posted on 08/16/2002 9:32:14 AM PDT by winin2000
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To: Dog Gone
I wonder why you didn't post this editorial from the same newspaper from two days ago.

It should be no surprise that a left-wing rag like the Union-Leader would portray Smith as unfavorably as possible.
Heck, they'd publish garbage about what a fine conservative Hillary Klinton is if they thought it would help her get elected.

19 posted on 08/16/2002 9:32:35 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: winin2000; GraniteStateConservative
I was just about to add "Kind of like all the talk about Sununu being a RINO is hooey."
:-) Thanks for saying it better than I could.
20 posted on 08/16/2002 9:33:27 AM PDT by Coop
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