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Is Linux Outgrowing Its Roots?
ZDNet Tech Update ^ | August 15, 2002 | Dan Farber

Posted on 08/16/2002 6:00:25 AM PDT by ShadowAce

The Linux world is growing up fast. Just look at who are the keynote speakers for LinuxWorld: executives from Sun, Oracle, IBM and Google. What happened to the real penguins who started this revolution? Are they not worthy of the main stage? Has the penguin gotten too cozy with the establishment for its own good? Or is it simply learning to live in a world in which revenue and customer lists are critical factors for success?

We are entering a new phase in the evolution of Linux and open source, in which the stakes are higher, capitalism rules, and holding the community spirit together becomes much more difficult.

The news from LinuxWorld shows all the signs of open source as a mainstream enterprise server platform. IBM, HP, Dell, Red Hat, Sun, Oracle, AMD and a host of other companies are coming out with new products, alliances, and most importantly, customer wins, especially in the workstation and low-end edge server markets. Sun and Red Hat are talking about making significant investments to deliver a Linux desktop to corporate customers.

Even Oracle CEO Larry Ellison touted Linux as if it were the best technology invention since his company pioneered relational databases. Ellison said he was promoting Linux because it is the best operating system, and to back up that statement said his company is running all of its enterprise applications and Web sites on Linux. (You can check out all of news and views in our LinuxWorld special report.

Despite the Linux love fest testimonials, maintaining the promise of open source software to be interchangeable and interoperable is a big challenge. The open source concept is to allow you to choose the components and partners you prefer without getting locked into a proprietary schema.

Most of the establishment players have made their fortunes by creating proprietary solutions that differentiate them from their competitors. The level playing field is a new phenomenon for them, and at this point in time they cannot ignore the power of the open source movement and the demand from customers for more cost effective, flexible technology.

The good news is that Free Standard Group, which manages the Linux Standard Base (LSB), announced this week that the three major Linux distributions -- Mandrake, Red Hat and SuSE -- are certified LSB compliant. This means they adhere to a common set of interface standards that should guarantee portability of applications across the open source platforms. Sun is planning its own distribution and has pledged obeisance to the LSB.

At the same time, Red Hat and a coalition of rivals have squared off. Red Hat currently has a leading share of market, and is behaving like a normal corporation -- doing everything it can to strengthen its position and squeeze out competitors. Red Hat's rivals announced this week that UnitedLinux -- the server distribution standard derived from the combined efforts of Caldera, SuSE, Conectiva, and Turbolinux -- would be available for beta testing soon.

The Red Hat versus UnitedLinux fight will hopefully encourage more rapid innovation, but it could also cause fragmentation. Red Hat's basic Linux distribution has now been certified LSB compliant, but the Advanced Server version has not. Will Red Hat use its unique extensions to sell customers on its distribution? For sure. At some point the company will make its Advanced Server LSB compliant, but in the meantime it will exploit the advantage over its competitors.

As a buyer of open source or proprietary platforms, you don't want to get caught in the crossfire as the companies act out their dreams of dominating a market by selling products that ultimately won't provide the optimal level of interoperability and flexibility.

In response to the Microsoft-led Initiative for Software Choice, a lobbying effort aimed at convincing governments that mandating open-source is not in the best interest of progress, free software community advocate Bruce Perens has proposed a Sincere Choice set of six guidelines for choosing a software platform, whether it's open or has proprietary tweaks:

Perens' Sincere Choice idea offers a useful perspective for technology acquisition. The idea is for you, the customer, to be empowered to make choices that fit your needs rather than to follow a particular vendor's agenda. This requires that vendors play by the rules and compete based on the merit of the products rather than by creating a lock-in scenario.

Playing by guidelines like Sincere Choice will test the character of all the players. Each company will bring certain value to the marketplace, whether they are open source or proprietary products or services. The marketplace ultimately should decide how to value them.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Technical
KEYWORDS: choice; linux; microsoft; opensource
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1 posted on 08/16/2002 6:00:25 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3; Dominic Harr
Penguin Ping!
2 posted on 08/16/2002 6:00:51 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: John Robinson; B Knotts; stainlessbanner; TechJunkYard; ShadowAce; Knitebane; AppyPappy; jae471; ...
The Penguin Ping.

Want on or off? Just holla!

Got root?


3 posted on 08/16/2002 6:10:50 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: ShadowAce
Even Oracle CEO Larry Ellison touted Linux as if it were the best technology invention since his company pioneered relational databases. Ellison said he was promoting Linux because it is the best operating system, and to back up that statement said his company is running all of its enterprise applications and Web sites on Linux.

That's probably a nice sound bite, but according to NetCraft, www.oracle.com is running under Solaris.

4 posted on 08/16/2002 6:12:37 AM PDT by Lorenb420
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To: Lorenb420
LOL!!!
5 posted on 08/16/2002 6:14:19 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3
Microsoft-led Initiative for Software Choice

Microsoft, Software Choice? Some irony here....

6 posted on 08/16/2002 6:15:34 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: ShadowAce
The level playing field is a new phenomenon for them, and at this point in time they cannot ignore the power of the open source movement and the demand from customers for more cost effective, flexible technology.

That's right. MS and the rest will ignore The Penguin at their own peril.

But MS is not ignoring Linux. That, in and of itself, is satisfaction to me. For all the dissing of the platform, the big boys at MS are really concerned now.

7 posted on 08/16/2002 6:15:44 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
...the big boys at MS are really concerned now.

Are they? They're paying a lot of lip service to the issue, but I haven't seen any actual response. No price cuts, no software improvement, no vuln response-time improvement. In short, there are no competitive moves being made on their part. How are they showing that they are concerned?

8 posted on 08/16/2002 6:18:37 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: ShadowAce
They have crafted exclusive OEM deals. Some Linux users like to buy PCs without an OS because they have no intention of using Windows, and they don't want to pay for an operating system that they won't be using. Microsoft has a deal with Dell that prohibits them from selling computers without an OS.

Dell now offers to sell computers without an installed OS and a copy of FreeDOS on disk, since the contract does not specify that the OS must be installed, nor does it specify what OS be included.
9 posted on 08/16/2002 6:26:40 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
Microsoft has a deal with Dell that prohibits them from selling computers without an OS

That's the irony of the Software Choice initiative!

10 posted on 08/16/2002 6:29:16 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: ShadowAce
They're showing it by their new campaign of "consultation" against companies using Linux. They attempt (operative word) to painstakingly "prove" that Linux costs more to run than their own products.

You talk about chutzpah!

11 posted on 08/16/2002 6:44:52 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: enfield
not only got root, -AM root!

I hope you're not all the time.

13 posted on 08/16/2002 6:57:01 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
As a computer software engineer and consultant I marvel at the people who think Linux is free.

I get calls all the time from people who want me to install and configure their 'free' linux- and when they get my bill for $60/hr they start to see where the cost goes- especially when they have to call me every time because no one knows what a command line is...

And before you penguin lovers start whining again like liberals I DO NOT CARE what operating system people want to use, I can make money in any of them

Linux is Great, so is Windows, so is Mac OS...
14 posted on 08/16/2002 7:02:58 AM PDT by Mr. K
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To: Mr. K
The kind of folks that are calling you at $60 per hour are NOT the primary target market for Linux. Linux is terrific for the technical desktop (i.e. workstations); our clients are the type who definitely know what a command line is, etc.
15 posted on 08/16/2002 7:08:01 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Dimensio
I for one would buy a Dell w/o an O/S but not because I support Linux or any open-source initiatives. I have a Microsoft universal subscription and therefore do not need another copy of Windows XP. Dell tried selling Linux based PCs and no one ordered them.
16 posted on 08/16/2002 7:10:48 AM PDT by wireplay
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To: wireplay
I think that Linux based PCs from PC manufacturers don't sell because individual Linux users typically build their own machines. I prefer choosing exactly what parts make up my system.
17 posted on 08/16/2002 7:12:03 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Mr. K
And before you penguin lovers start whining again like liberals I DO NOT CARE what operating system people want to use, I can make money in any of them.

Neither do I. I don't hold a "faith" in a software platform. I simply prefer Linux, especially Slackware.

At any rate, you're comparing apples to oranges. What your customers are paying for is your service and expertise. If they bought a Linux distro from a retailer, then of course it's not "free" that way. They could simply download it and burn it to a disk(s).

Also, there are myriad Linux user help groups and usenet newsgroups. They could simply read up on how to install Linux themselves (both Mandrake and Redhat now make it real easy to do so).

They're paying because they choose to, not because they have to.

Now find a legitimate and non-pirated Windows XP disk that's free.

18 posted on 08/16/2002 7:37:34 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
Is Linux Outgrowing Its Roots?

Not important. If, on the other hand, Linux outgrows root, then there might be a problem.

19 posted on 08/16/2002 8:24:29 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
Not important. If, on the other hand, Linux outgrows root, then there might be a problem.

Oh, behave! ;-)

20 posted on 08/16/2002 8:26:25 AM PDT by rdb3
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