Posted on 08/15/2002 11:09:53 AM PDT by JohnathanRGalt
g'nite.
I do!
For later reading.
Certainly. This is well known, by the way. I haven't heard of anyone contending it. If they do, it would only in an attempt to rewrite history.
Is it 'War'? (ABC News, Sept 13)
I could post more links for you, but it would be easier if you just did a google search for "Rep Bob Barr + declaration of war".
Seems to more than answer your question: additionally, the 9/14 Resolution also gives the President power. Another excerpt that might lend credence to the conspiracy-theorists:
Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., today introduced a formal declaration of war against all international terrorists and their sponsors.
No indication is given the President "killed" that introduction. Indeed, if the Congress wanted to pass it, they could have. No indication has been made that Bob Barr himself opposed the final action. He, in fact, voted for the Resolution.
The fact is, there is no Constitutional instruction regarding the manner in which War is Declared: only that Congress has that power. Search the document high and low, you won't find a prescription for the declaration of war.
And I fervently object to your objection of trials of CITIZENS based solely on costs. We spend billions every year on entertainment; if we have to forego a new computer game, a trip to the theatre or park in order that justice be done, then so be it.
How ironic that its the conservatives who are now the ones willing and wanting to inter American citizens and unconstitutionally stripping them of their God given rights.
Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
I am, however, smart enough to realize that civil "rights" and "liberties" have routinely been suspended in various ways during war time---and they've always been restored. Always.
I'm glad America wasn't terrified of the government during WW2--during an admittedly liberal administration. After all, FDR and his crowd rationed food, raw materials, and consumer goods like shoes and gasoline! Such rationing, a restriction of civil freedoms if ever there was one, was NECESSARY FOR VICTORY.
If many of you were around then, I shudder to think how happy the ENEMY would've been--you'd be saying, "Dammit, Roosevelt, you can't tell me what to buy and when!! Nazi Schmazi! This is my FREEDOM!"
Oh, btw, for those of you keeping score: once the war was over, the rationing was stopped.
What an irresponsible remark. You've got no evidence to back up what you're saying...it is just an ad hominem attack upon John Ashcroft. Actually, you're saying he's an anti-Semite, aren't you? If so, this may be a violation of Jim's rules.
This is pure idiocy. You offer no evidence to this, just a pure, unadulterated, ad hominem attack on our Attorney General. Consider yourself reported for ABUSE on this thread. I am not a moderator, but if I were, you'd be pulled.
Unjustified attacks on the morality and character of anyone--especially this man--are irresponsible at best and blatant evil at worst.
He may be, but if he is it is thanks to a concerted propaganda effort against him.
If the post I just removed accurately depicts your beliefs, you may want to find another website on which to converse. Thanks, AM
If John Ashcroft had bitten his foot once, that is excusable. Happenstance, jumped on by an eager and hostile press.
However, the AG has consistently come up with the most egregious suggestions to control 'terrorism', I.E. the TIPS program, "Carnivore," "Airport Security" against MoH winner Joe Foss, the Boston FBI/Mob connection.
BUT! Starting in 2001 there have been no Federal investigations of voter fraud in Chicago, St. Louis or Florida, he has pointedly ignored the vast number of holdovers from Bubba's '93 purge of the Federal District Attorneys, or busting the Leahy Wall in the Senate by gunning for the Torch and Hildebeast. What about real, actual high crimes, like the Marc Rich pardon, China-gate, the 900 FBI files, Travel-gate, and on and on and on. Where are indictments of Jon Horiuchi and Richard Rogers, who are living, protected from the public of the US, at Quantico??? Why is Bubba clinton still globetrotting, instead of defending the inexcusable in open court? Where is Ashcroft? Instead of acting like the Chief Law Officer, and defending the Constitution, he has got a staff that dearly wants more power. If he isn't running a Little Dachau in Gitmo, and he could be, for all you or I or anyone else knows, then why is this Administration so shrouded in secrecy? We had enough of Executive Privilege in the last gang of thieves.
I protest the concept that any objection to the actions of the Current Administration is treason.
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