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Constitutionalist blames police for fatal shootout (shooting in Massillon, Ohio)
The Canton Repository (Ohio) ^ | August 13, 2002 | ED BALINT

Posted on 08/13/2002 3:48:08 AM PDT by ResistorSister

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To: Maelstrom
I have no idea if Matthews was justified in anything he did, perhaps if the complete transcript of the radio dispatches from that night were made available I could hold an opinion on the matter.

Who are you trying to kid? The widow was quoted as saying that her husband was going to commit murder. Even if the evidence were presented to the moral-liberal anarcho-ideologues in Dolby stereo technicolor, they would claim the evidence was tainted by the Trilateral Commission anyway.

281 posted on 08/13/2002 5:18:50 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Maelstrom
So you don't trust the media or the police with basic facts, then.
282 posted on 08/13/2002 5:20:12 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: All
This has been the single best thread ever run in terms of separating the dingbat fringe far-right froot loops from sensible conservatives. I am afraid it has proven that there are far more of the former posting at FR than I ever suspected.

Bizarre.

283 posted on 08/13/2002 5:20:17 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: one_particular_harbour; Kevin Curry
It is spooky.

Even so, the impurities have risen to the surface where they can easily be identified and scooped away.

285 posted on 08/13/2002 5:26:26 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: wimpycat
Those are facts that no one disputes.

You demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt you do not understand the concept of minimum standards of objective inquiry.

There are few "facts" in this case. The only information anyone has about these events come from a small group of select individuals who generated an even smaller number of reports about an incident they may or may not completely understand.

As of right now I acknowledge about three "facts"

1.Shots were fired.

2. Two men are dead.

3.Of the dead and injured only one who was at the orginal incident is still alive.

Everything else is pretty much speculation. Police logs, radio transmissions, analysis of on scene evidence, meticulous review of diaries,medications,personal histories etc. may possibly result in other indisputable "facts".

I have no access to any of that material. The reporters covering this story may or may not have access to some or all of that material.

One fact IS certain: YOU have no access to that material and have not demonstrated any ability to interpret it if you did.

Those are the facts with which I am familiar and which I will be pleased to debate.

Best regards,

286 posted on 08/13/2002 5:27:11 PM PDT by Copernicus
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To: wimpycat
I've dealt with the media first-hand.

The media CANNOT be trusted with basic facts.

The police have a legacy of releasing facts only when it serves their own self-interests.

I'm not sure why you're able to be as trusting as a babe under your substitute father's, your cop's protection.

To me, they're just people. For the past 20 years, I've noted a shift in exactly what type of person a cop typically is...and it doesn't engender trust.
287 posted on 08/13/2002 5:29:52 PM PDT by Maelstrom
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To: Copernicus

Really? I thought more people died that day in Waco than you are claiming here.

288 posted on 08/13/2002 5:30:53 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Copernicus
Read and respond to my post #278 before you start talking about having access to all the raw evidence, or else you're doing nothing but making a bigger hypocritical fool of yourself. You took the word of the Harnett County police and the news media as a good argument against trigger locks, but what the Ohio police and news media presents is mere speculation, according to you. ROFL!
289 posted on 08/13/2002 5:32:22 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: Copernicus
You might wish to add to your body of facts: 1) Matthew's wife's statement that her husband vowed to kill any police officer who stopped him; 2) Matthew's own raving screed posted on the Internet in which he stated matter-of-factly that any public official who violated his oath (i.e., which would be just about all of them according to Matthews) deserved the death penalty.

You won't consider these facts because that would compromise your desperate hope to discover that the police had marked Matthews for a rubbing out months or years ago and instigated a firefight to make that happen.

290 posted on 08/13/2002 5:35:41 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: wimpycat

It's one of those 'principle' things, dontcha know.

291 posted on 08/13/2002 5:35:48 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: one_particular_harbour
"Moron".

Sir or Madam,

I have not used any derogatory terms addressing you.

I expect you to observe the same etiquette when you address me.

I will not respond to any more comments from you until you demonstrate better manners.

292 posted on 08/13/2002 5:37:15 PM PDT by Copernicus
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To: Maelstrom
If you've ever formed an opinion based on something you heard on the news or otherwise haven't seen for yourself, like say, the moon landing, or the "speculation" that Osama bin Laden's goons are behind the WTC and Pentagon attacks, then you're full of it.

Use a little common sense. If you know anything about law enforcement, you know that they get it right most of the time, so they deserve the presumption of honesty before the presumption of lying.
293 posted on 08/13/2002 5:45:50 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: Maelstrom
(From an earlier post on this thread #187)....

These series of threads aren't about Matthews, Taylor, speeding tickets, or even Matthews' personal vision of the Constitution. These threads are about using one man's death and another man's slaughter to initiate ad hominem attacks against ALL THOSE who believe the US Constitution is one creating a limited government of enumerated powers.

"snip" to #262

It's always been my Free Republic. God gave me Jim Robinson and Jim Robinson gave me a place to speak freely. I even bought a piece of it, or at least donated enough to take pride in what is here and what I have helped wrought. Free Republic is as much mine as it is yours, I am just taking a bit more personal pride in it.

I refuse to get into a 'pithing contest' over checkbooks and donations. You have NO idea how much others on this thread have donated. And your earlier post, #187 above, tells me you wanted, from the beginning, to hijack this thread from a discussion about a COP KILLER to something YOU wanted to discuss. Your statement that "you take a bit more personal pride in it" (meaning FR) than others... says it all.

Your arrogance speaks volumes.

294 posted on 08/13/2002 5:46:20 PM PDT by justshe
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To: Poohbah
" And do you think, perchance, that said "killin back" just MIGHT explain why he needed killin'?

There is NO common sense here, only a circular arguement.

I know how badly you need to identify with the guys who wear the white hats -- and you can.

But you're not their friend if you endorse policy which gets them killed.

295 posted on 08/13/2002 11:27:58 PM PDT by Crowcreek
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To: exodus
they actually wrote it!!

Yes but they didn't write the one these nuts follow. They make up their own constitution, insert missing parts and remove the parts they don't like.

296 posted on 08/14/2002 4:17:19 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: dcwusmc
So by your lights, the Founders were terrorists.

No. You think the Founders were terrorists. I don't.

297 posted on 08/14/2002 4:20:55 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy; one_particular_harbour
Hey, I think our "time-out" is over! You can come out of the corner now!
298 posted on 08/14/2002 4:57:25 AM PDT by wimpycat
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