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FAA says it had 11 other suspect planes on Sept. 11
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Posted on 08/12/2002 12:50:43 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

FAA says it had 11 other suspect planes on Sept. 11

Monday August 12, 2002

By RICHARD PYLE Associated Press Writer

WESTBURY, N.Y. (AP) In the tense minutes after two hijacked jetliners smashed into New York's World Trade Center and another hit the Pentagon, air traffic controllers had as many as 11 other suspect aircraft on their screens, federal aviation officials said Monday.

The concern over possible additional hijackings did not end until 12:15 p.m. on Sept. 11 3{ hours after the first attack on the twin towers when the last of 4,546 commercial aircraft were safely on the ground nationwide.

``Somewhere in the first hour after the first plane hit, we were receiving reports of additional confirmed hijackings. The list at that point in time started to grow,'' said Frank Hatfield, Eastern Region division manager for FAA air traffic control operations.

``All reports were treated as unconfirmed hijackings until we eliminated that as a possibility. We were not satisfied that the last number was four until 12:15 p.m., and every airplane in the country was on the ground,'' he said.

``No one had ever envisioned a scenario where the United States would land every plane in the sky.''

Airports became jammed with the unexpected aircraft, yet there were no mishaps, he said.

Hatfield and other FAA officials briefed news media on Monday at the New York Terminal Approach Control Center, known as TRACON, on Long Island.

Mike McCormick, air traffic control manager at New York Center the main traffic control center for New York area airports made the unprecedented decision at 9:04 a.m. to declare ``ATC Zero,'' meaning that normal services were suspended and no aircraft could fly into, out of or through the region's airspace.

At that time there were still hundreds of aircraft in the skies around New York and the western Atlantic, for which the Long Island-based center had responsibility.

The decision came just after the second plane, United Airlines Flight 175, struck the south tower of the World Trade Center, confirming that the country was under terrorist attack.

Unlike the first hijacked plane, American Airlines Flight 11, the second Boeing 767's transponder was working and he knew where it was headed, McCormick said, even before the Newark Airport control tower picked it up visually as it flew south along the Hudson River, turned and headed back toward the twin towers.

``I wanted to make sure everyone understood that this (attack) was not a single aircraft, that this was not a single event. There was at least one other aircraft involved and there could be many more, and we needed to prepare for all eventualities,'' McCormick said.

The officials said many changes have been effected in emergency procedures since Sept. 11 but declined to go into detail for security reasons.

Hatfield said, however, that the time frame for the FAA to make contact with the military in an emergency ``has been shaved from minutes to seconds.''

On that day, the first two military interceptors, Air Force F-15 Eagles from Otis Air Force Base in Massachusetts, scrambled airborne at 8:52 a.m., six minutes after the first attack, but too late to do anything about the other jets heading for the Trade Center or Pentagon.

Those struck at 9:02 and 9:40 a.m., respectively. The fourth hijacked plane, United Airlines Flight 93, crashed near Somerset, Pa., at 10:07 a.m.

McCormick said that under the new procedures, ``We are in direct instantaneous communication with our military and those people responsible for defending our country.''

Hatfield said security now has a much higher priority than it did before Sept. 11.

``We have searched our souls and tried to figure out what we could have done differently on that day,'' he said. ``Probably the best thing we could have done was to improve our communications, and over the last year we have aggressively addressed that issue.''


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KEYWORDS: 911; aaflight11; airlinesecurity; airportsecurity; americanairlines; pervez
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1 posted on 08/12/2002 12:50:43 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
And how many terrorists lost their nerve? Were any plans aborted due to take-off delays?
2 posted on 08/12/2002 12:53:51 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Sub-Driver
Airports became jammed with the unexpected aircraft, yet there were no mishaps, he said.

This actually says alot about the efficency and skill of the air traffic controllers in this country.

3 posted on 08/12/2002 12:53:51 PM PDT by jae471
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To: Shermy
We will never know. {:-{
4 posted on 08/12/2002 12:56:27 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Shermy
There was an article on FR a few weeks ago about a plane that was scheduled to take off from Dallas/Fort-Worth that had four Arabs on board. The take-off was delayed for a few minutes for normal delay reasons, but it was enough to keep it grounded (It was scheduled for a 9ish EST take-off.) The article said that the Arabs quickly left the plane and were never found.
5 posted on 08/12/2002 12:57:10 PM PDT by jae471
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To: Sub-Driver
I've often wondered about this, and if any of those grounded planes "might have been". I recall a news story from that week, of a west-bound plane that I think landed in St. Louis and five guys disembarked, never to be seen again.

Does anyone else know what happened with any of these stories?

6 posted on 08/12/2002 1:00:28 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: ElkGroveDan
I've been waiting and waiting for news about other planes. I also remember talk on that day about other planes and middle eastern passengers disembarking. But I don't know any more than the little bit I remember. I'd bet money that there were a handful more, and being called back to land is what stopped them.

Remember the two guys on the train in Texas that day? There WAS a little hinting around that THEY might have been in another hijacked plane that was recalled. And of course, the feds just let them go.
7 posted on 08/12/2002 1:09:25 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: ElkGroveDan
Does anyone else know what happened with any of these stories?

I've always believed that we got off lucky on Sept. 11.

The terrorists signed their own death warrants as well as those of Saddam Hussein and militant Islam.

Ask any arab or muslim "if good defeats evil" and then tell them to wait a few years. They might want to reconsider their religious affiliations!!

8 posted on 08/12/2002 1:10:59 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: ElkGroveDan
I've often wondered about this, and if any of those grounded planes "might have been". I recall a news story from that week, of a west-bound plane that I think landed in St. Louis and five guys disembarked, never to be seen again.

I suspect you are thinking of a real episode, but your conclusion is wrong. There was a plane from Boston, I think, that was grounded in St Louis. There were arabs on board but they didn't disappear. They got off the plane and took a train to their destination which I believe was San Antonio, Texas. They were met by police and FBI at their destination (I don't recall how the FBI was alerted to them) and were arrested when a search of their luggage revealed cash and box cutters and hair dye. There were even rumors that they had shaved their body hair.

They were held without charge for many months and eventualy the FBI cleared them of suspicion. They might have been deported afterward, but I don't think there was any link established to any of the hijackers or any terrorists, despite extensive FBI probes of their finances and phone calls, etc.

See Sources: Texas train suspects not tied to attacks for details.

9 posted on 08/12/2002 1:11:22 PM PDT by clamboat
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To: clamboat
Looks like I got some of the details wrong. They weren't Arabs, they were Indian. And they were on a flight out of Newark, NJ, not Boston, MA. And they were never released and are still be helpd on immigration and credit card fraud charges. So the feds didn't "just let them go" at all. They did clear them of involvement with the hijackings or terrorism though.
10 posted on 08/12/2002 1:15:49 PM PDT by clamboat
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To: ElkGroveDan
I remember. They had thousands in cash, fake credit cards, box cutters and hair die. They entered a guilty plea to credit card fraud and will walk shortly.

Same story with Moussaoui's OKC roommate that the FBI and Secret Service connected to the OKC bombing and WTC 1993, Menepta will walk in about 5 months after pleading guilty to a weapons charge.

Same with the Muslim terrorists connected to the murder of Katherine Smith(she was burned alive with gasoline in one of the Muslim's car) in the Memphis drivers license scam, they all plead and were released with time served, except the unlicensed plumber Hammad who had a work pass for the WTC days before 9-11.Hammad said he was there working on the sprinkler system for a non existent company called Denko Mechanical. Interestingly, the FEMA report explaining why the towers collapsed concluded a major factor was that the sprinkler systems were disabled. Go figure.
Hammad's sentencing hearing is this month in Memphis, he has been out on bail, I am sure he will show up so he can be released for time served on bail. He never did explain why he needed a TN license since he already had a drivers license.

Meanwhile I hear Martha Stewart maybe looking at some hard time.

11 posted on 08/12/2002 1:22:45 PM PDT by honway
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
I've always believed that we got off lucky on Sept. 11.

You're not the only one. If I recall correctly, wasn't there (for lack of a better word) "intelligence" which had heard about terrorists planning to hi-jack commercial jets to be used as suicide bombs, but instead of 4 planes the original plan was for about a dozen planes to be the number that the terrorists were shooting for? It would be almost poetic if the one thing that saved the Sears Tower and TransAmerica building was the typical flight delays that everyone who flies frequently often complains about.

I do have to give the air traffic controllers their due for how they were able to get all of those thousands of planes out of the sky and onto the ground as fast as they did, and without any accidents in the process. I wonder how different things might have been if Reagan had not fired all of those air traffic controllers when they went on strike in the 80's.

12 posted on 08/12/2002 1:27:57 PM PDT by Orangedog
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To: Shermy
"FBI Asks if Hijacking Plot Included Plane at Kennedy" (Air Canada- Toronto to LaGuardia and also an AA flight142 Kennedy to London delayed due to a mechanical problem and also a United flight 23 Kennedy to San Francisco )

*Expired MSNBC Link but may still be on the web somewhere* "Knives Hint at Thwarted Hijacking" (Atlanta to Brussels and also a flight out of Boston)

FBI Probes 5th Flight for Hijackers, Plane Grounded on Day of Attack

Arrested Men's Shaved Bodies Drew Suspicion of the FBI (Plane which landed prematurely in St. Louis & men who were captured on an Amtrak train to Texas)

13 posted on 08/12/2002 1:31:01 PM PDT by piasa
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To: Orangedog
The original 911 plan seems to have its roots in a foiled plot in the Philippines in which Mohammed Yousef had been involved. Some on FR call it Project Bojinka, named after a company which the terrorists had used for financing, I believe. The Philippines plot called for 12 passenger planes. The terrorists did a test run using an aircraft in the Pacific and ended up killing a Japanese passenger. They didn't carry oput their actual multiplane plot because their plot was discovered by Philippine police while they were searching one of the plotter's apartments during the investigation of another crime.

Singapore Bomb-Plot Suspect Helped Run Terror Firm

14 posted on 08/12/2002 1:40:55 PM PDT by piasa
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To: Sub-Driver
And our pilots are still unarmed. Wonder when the next group of planes will rain down on us? I guess we'll be the International Darwin Arward all time winners!
15 posted on 08/12/2002 1:48:47 PM PDT by Musket
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To: Sub-Driver
FYI:

12 more planes were ready to be hijacked !
U.S. Officials Probing Whether More Planes Hijacked
S an Antonio To San Diego Flight Targeted By Hijackers? (mine)
Hastert Reveals Three Other Planes Hit Distress
Al-Qaeda planned more hijacks

16 posted on 08/12/2002 1:49:20 PM PDT by jae471
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To: honway
I had never heard about the sprinkler system being disabled. Is there any theory about how that happened?
17 posted on 08/12/2002 1:58:38 PM PDT by Aria
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To: Aria
I had never heard about the sprinkler system being disabled. Is there any theory about how that happened?

An airplane smashed into each tower.

18 posted on 08/12/2002 1:59:42 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Musket
And our pilots are still unarmed. Yep, and our Airports still don't profile arab men, and our Borders are still wide open! Go figure...Blackbird.
19 posted on 08/12/2002 2:05:08 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: Orangedog
I do have to give the air traffic controllers their due for how they were able to get all of those thousands of planes out of the sky and onto the ground as fast as they did, and without any accidents in the process. I wonder how different things might have been if Reagan had not fired all of those air traffic controllers when they went on strike in the 80's.

Reagan was right in canning them. Some government jobs just shouldn't be strike-sensitive. Imagine if PATCO has triumphed and Sept. 11th was in the middle of an ATC system strike, with management personnel operating the ATC system. Disaster would have been an understatement.

20 posted on 08/12/2002 2:08:34 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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