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Massillon officer, suspect killed in chase, shootout
The Canton Repository (OHIO) ^ | Saturday, August 10, 2002 | LORI MONSEWICZ and ROBERT WANG Repository staff writers

Posted on 08/10/2002 6:07:37 AM PDT by ResistorSister

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To: Jaidyn
I'm from Ohio and got a ticket for going 50 in a 45 at 12am so there wasn't any traffic. Got another ticket for not coming to a complete stop at a 4way at 12 am (nearly in front of my house). Got a warning for a missing taillight on the passenger side. The HP was coming in the opposite direction on a four lane and made a Uturn. I know lots of people who have been ticketed for little or no reason. The highway patrol is in town more than on the highway. By the way, I worked nights is why I got those tickets at 12am.

And that is the legal, CONSTITUTIONAL authority of the State of Ohio and any municipality you might have been in at the time. It is NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, anything even remotely resembling a battlefied upon which one should take up arms to exert Constitutional rights.

141 posted on 08/10/2002 2:06:49 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dubyaismypresident
I hope the cop killer is executed.

I believe that will be tough to do.


Stay safe; stay armed.


142 posted on 08/10/2002 2:08:13 PM PDT by Eaker
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To: dubyaismypresident
I hope the cop killer is executed.

Well, he's already dead, so that would be a bit redundant...

143 posted on 08/10/2002 2:08:15 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Well, he's already dead, so that would be a bit redundant...

I'm trying to geta job with the Department of Redundancy Department....

144 posted on 08/10/2002 2:09:04 PM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: mamelukesabre
Am I to beleive that the guy in this artical that shot a cop and was killed was known to post on free republic? How does one find that out?

Well, I guess the only way you could really 100% prove it is to ask JimRob to check the records for whatever his freeper name was and see if his real name and state matches up, but I doubt that's something he'd be willing to do. In any case, the freeper that posted the deleted thread about this vouched for him and said that he/she had talked on the phone with him very often over the last X numbers of years.

145 posted on 08/10/2002 2:09:47 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Cultural Jihad
That was not the scenario here,and I refuse to debate someone that throws in info totaly unrelated to the subject.
146 posted on 08/10/2002 2:11:03 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: dubyaismypresident
I'm trying to geta job with the Department of Redundancy Department....

Back about twenty years ago, the FDA told the Texas Department of Corrections that the drugs they used for lethal injection were both safe and effective. The headline for the column was "One out of Two Ain't Bad..."

147 posted on 08/10/2002 2:11:16 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Jaidyn
Most are ok but the highway patrol in Ohio is arrogant and gungho when it comes to power.

Uh, the dead policemen was not OHP(Ohio Highway Patrol). He was a Massilon city cop, who now has three children left behind due to a senseless shooting over minor traffic stop.

148 posted on 08/10/2002 2:11:49 PM PDT by Dane
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To: dirtboy
These sorts of vermin should be banned forthwith from the forum. We don't need monsters lurking and posting their bloody drivel. 38 po Cultural Jihad

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Apparently, he was registered at FR.
-- Your protest that he is 'not a freeper' only encourages nutcakes like CJ to spout their hysterical hype and make the situation look even more ridiculous. 68 po tpaine

Guess what, tpaine? CJ is right on this one.

Guess what Dboy? I was commenting to the Mod about CJs 'bloody drivel' banning hype, not:

State and local traffic laws, as long as there are conducted with probable cause as the basis for a stop, are not a Constitutional issue, but are the realm of states and municipalities under the 10th Amendment. Doing 72 in a 60 is probable cause.

As usual, you're so eager to hype your positions , that you can't be bothered to actually read my posts.

Waco and Ruby Ridge are sound positions to decry the actions of the federal government. This, however, is NOT a position to do such. Barring other information, the guy was dead wrong here. If he wants to die for his cause, that his his business. But killing a cop for his warped perception of the cause, that is just plain immoral, wrong and insane.

And you're insane to think that my post to CJ & the Mod implied any such position. - Get an emotional hold on yourself.

149 posted on 08/10/2002 2:12:25 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: mamelukesabre
IF the cop decides to chase, that's his decision to make and he is justified in doing so.

I know in some places car chases have been questioned because breakneck speeds are dangerous to everyone else on the road. I just think since they had his drivers license number and license plates, they could have handled it differently. The cops should be able to handle citizens who are stressed out or over the edge. Once they chased someone to the end of this dead end street and I was afraid I was going to witness something pretty awful but luckily it ended okay. I didn't think that case was handled the best either.

150 posted on 08/10/2002 2:12:36 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: one_particular_harbour
You are an idiot. Shut up now, before you sound even more stupid than you are.

Why, because I want to know what transpired at the traffic stop?

Because I don't think that cops are always smart, or right, or good?

I'd like to stay and play, but I've got to go to the gym.

151 posted on 08/10/2002 2:12:43 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: dirtboy
The headline for the column was "One out of Two Ain't Bad..."

LOL. Now that is good dark humor.

152 posted on 08/10/2002 2:12:47 PM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: Jaidyn
That irks me to no end because it's unconstitutional.

I would agree with that ... however, stopping someone for doing 72mph in a 60mph zone fits just about anyone's definition of probable cause for a traffic stop...

153 posted on 08/10/2002 2:13:06 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, anything even remotely resembling a battlefied upon which one should take up arms to exert Constitutional rights.<BR< I in no way condone what the cop killer did. Where did you get that idea? I am from a family of cops and know there are bad ones out there and none of them deserve what happened to this poor man. Matthews got his sentence on the spot. I'm thankful he saved Ohio a trial.
154 posted on 08/10/2002 2:13:12 PM PDT by Jaidyn
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To: Cultural Jihad
So it was all the officer's fault, eh? "He made me shoot him because he pulled me over! It was libertarian-inspired self-defense!"

And which libertarians inspired this Conservative to kill that cop, genius?

155 posted on 08/10/2002 2:13:13 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Timesink
He was,I and others already verified,looked at some of his post and they did deal with the constitution.
156 posted on 08/10/2002 2:13:20 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: betty boop
Don didn't drink. He was a teetotaler.

He shoulda read a little bit of Henry David Thoreau. He might be alive today if he had.

157 posted on 08/10/2002 2:13:34 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Jaidyn
I'm from Ohio and got a ticket for going 50 in a 45 at 12am so there wasn't any traffic.

Five is more reasonable than one, though, frankly, anything less than ten is petty.

The rule in Texas is ten over on the weekends, fifteen during the week.

158 posted on 08/10/2002 2:13:49 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: dubyaismypresident
I'm trying to geta job with the Department of Redundancy Department....

Good answer!!! ;<)


Stay safe; stay armed.


159 posted on 08/10/2002 2:15:44 PM PDT by Eaker
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To: betty boop
Henry David Thoreau didn't write a booklet entitled "Civil Insurrection" you know.
160 posted on 08/10/2002 2:17:27 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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