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To: WilliamWallace1999; Action-America; cva66snipe; YaYa123; Iwo Jima; arkfreepdom; GWfan
WilliamWallace1999, you made a little Haiku with your attacks on Action-America that you apparently think are necessary in order to make your point:

     you big dufuss
     wackos like you
     the dork you are

Since you seem to have some understanding of this, I think that Haiku is beneath you.

Everyone, just how safe do you feel when you get "privacy notices" that say "we do not release any personal information except as permitted by law?" Not safe.

I do not think that some understand the privacy regulations contained in HIPAA, because if they did they would not be defending any aspect of it, including the recent "adjustments." Moreover, just because you think that any individual can somehow by taking uncommon actions avoid losing his or her privacy is no reason to advocate ill-advised and illegal federal programs that will in fact hurt the privacy of most of the population.

HIPAA was permitted to pass by a pathetic REPUBLICAN Congress simply because RINO Bob Dole did not want RINO Nancy Kassebaum to retire without ever having done one proactive thing in her career. It's a classic example of a bill too big to be understood by Congress critters. Few even read the bill, as usual. It handed a huge victory to HillaryCare advocates. We thought we won in 1994, and then let down our guard and so were sabotaged by Bob Dole and his ilk.

Moreover, in its implementation Congress specified (illegally abdicating its job to make the laws) that if Congress had not written HIPAA privacy details by a certain date that they would let the regulations be written by none other than Donna Shalala, the woman who once cluelessly confused cirrhosis and psoriasis, and her bureaucratic minions. The Republicans then IRRESPONSIBLY sat on their hands until the deadline passed so the Democrats got to craft the details!

HIPAA therefore represents a disgusting and traitorous (to true Republicans) and wholesale surrender by the Republicans to the Democrats. Loyal Republicans who are not RINOs are therefore very much upset by HIPAA and see nothing good about it, and your defense of it is therefore remarkable.

The fact of the matter is that Electronic Medical Records were not the true impetus for the HIPAA "privacy" regs -- just the opposite. Electronic Medical Records are what finally make wholesale massive privacy invasion possible for the government and its little fascist allies like RAND. The removal of explicit permissions is exactly what they have been after all along because they want to mine the information. The HIPAA act itself STANDARDIZES all electronic healthcare transactions (as to transmission protocols) and therefore makes it much more likely that privacy violations can occur on a massive scale. Moreover, it virtually REQUIRES electronic medical records because it is too hard to comply with many of the provisions without them. And the more electronic records there are, the easier they are to steal. Therefore it meets the classic MO of the Clintonistas:

(1) decide what freedoms you want to limit in order to gain power, 
(2) pick a method for stopping the freedoms which can be named something exactly the opposite of what is actually happening (steal medical privacy by using a "privacy protection act"),
(3) write regulations that will cause a massive outpouring of protest by conservatives who were not fooled in the first place, 
(4) read the protests and deduce from them the methods by which the opposition will plan to get around those rules, 
(5) ignore the protests but re-write the regulations to route around the conservative opposition and be even more onerous and self-sustaining, 
(6) IMMEDIATELY upon implementation make sure that you steal the gold--make sure that many corporations like RAND, in the name of "research," steal all the information and do all the damage they can, and even ship the information offshore; and when the Republicans finally wake up most of the genie will be out of the bottle forever even if they repeal HIPAA.

So now they get the final piece of what they want. Instead of an unworkable act that would be repealed promptly due to its unworkability, they now get even more permission to export and mine personal medical information combined with a de facto packaging of that information into electronic records systems which are required to communicate using a standardized health information transfer protocol. A perfect setup for the government medical complex / Big Brother.

HIPAA needs to be completely repealed right now. Maybe the frustrating and idiotic parts will help assure its repeal sooner. People who are willing to fight and pay cash for medical care (which actually will only help if the physician is not a "covered entity" on HIPAA) in the name of privacy should not be advocating "sugar coating" of HIPAA to make it more palatable to either patients or the medical care community, because that will only permit HIPAA to become more firmly entrenched.

 

90 posted on 08/09/2002 11:54:32 PM PDT by Weirdad
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To: Weirdad
Thank you for taking the time to give such a cogent and thoughtful account of how we got into this current mess. If more people would actually explain what the situation is instead of attacking/lauding Bush and/or Clinton or belittling other posters for a lack of knowledge, we would have much more understanding of this issue.

So, I will ask you. Is there anything in either the Clinton or the Bush version of the regs that improves the situation, or are we just piling on more and more harmful rules? Why doesn't Bush just totally scrap the Clinton regs and let's make do with the status quo if we can't get the federeal government out of these issues altogether?

That's what I mean by my question:what problem are we trying to solve?
96 posted on 08/10/2002 3:18:30 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: Weirdad
I am living the regulatory quagmire created by Klintoon. The ad hominem attacks on the other poster were a visceral reaction to some of the "tin-foil" hyperbole manifest in his dissertation. As a red-neck with education, I find that issues with resonance in my own life seem to elicit some deeply repressed desires to "whup that boys ass". I humbly apologize to the other posters, but reserve the right to move between erudite commentary and my "Jeff Foxworthy" routine. BTW to Action-American, here's your sign.
99 posted on 08/10/2002 4:57:13 AM PDT by WilliamWallace1999
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To: Weirdad
great commentary. Right on target. I was involved with the genesis of the HIPAA regulations and saw it happen (and could do nothing to stop it).

Your analysis is strong, with the exception that you missed the economic reasons for their behavior. I can summarize it best by simply saying "Oracle".

124 posted on 08/10/2002 9:02:01 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: Weirdad
"Moreover, it virtually REQUIRES electronic medical records because it is too hard to comply with many of the provisions without them."

If a doctor does not use electronic billing then they are exempt from HIPPA....Of course that is virtually impossible nowadays. I agree the whole thing should be scrapped along with E&M coding guidelines....They are just as stupid and unworkable.
129 posted on 08/10/2002 12:34:20 PM PDT by arkfreepdom
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To: Weirdad

WilliamWallace1999, you made a little Haiku with your attacks on Action-America that you apparently think are necessary in order to make your point:

Thanks for chiming in.  Your detailed post made some excellent points.  As a follow-up, you might also want to check out my response to WW1999, at post 157.  Note that the version of HIPPA that passed, was the brainchild of, and largely supported by, Republicans.

You expect liberals to post things without checking the facts, but it is very disappointing to see that occurring more and more often with supposed conservatives.

 

160 posted on 08/11/2002 1:19:54 AM PDT by Action-America
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To: Weirdad
Oops.  That was post 157.  (corrected link)

 

162 posted on 08/11/2002 1:28:41 AM PDT by Action-America
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