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To: Lorianne; Outlaw76; Harrison Bergeron; RogerFGay
Since when do we expressly punish people for being born?

That started when the courts decided that men don't have any business raising their own children once mom gets bored with him. The divorce industry expressly punishes people for simply being born male.

Riddle me this....what percentage are womwn awarded custody in contested custody cases? Why are they awarded custody in that percentage of those cases?

How is it "punishing children" if the father has the same rights as the mother? Following your line of logic, if giving the father the same rights as the mother is "punishing children", then the mother having those rights that the father is being denied is also "punishing children." Therefore, those rights that she enjoys would have to be restricted or the child would be punished by the mother. If two wrongs don't make a right, then the original "wrong" must be prevented from occuring, or else the wrongful act will punish the child.

87 posted on 08/09/2002 1:40:34 PM PDT by Orangedog
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To: Orangedog
All of your points are 100% accurate. But when men ask for rights "as a group" we will have joined hands with the enemy and become them. It is the idea of "group rights" or "group identity" that has wrought all of the evils that fall under the heading of "Feminism." The remaining artifacts of God given individual rights guaranteed under the US constitution still give parents with intact families final say over the welfare of their own children. When men - as an identity group - sign on to government issued "rights" protecting us from them, we will have surrendered even the faint hope of reclaiming that which is already ours as individuals.

Summary: Feminism won't be conquered with Masculinism. It will be completed by it.

88 posted on 08/09/2002 2:19:40 PM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: Orangedog
How is it "punishing children" if the father has the same rights as the mother? Following your line of logic, if giving the father the same rights as the mother is "punishing children", then the mother having those rights that the father is being denied is also "punishing children."

Duh? I know.

"Therefore, those rights that she enjoys would have to be restricted or the child would be punished by the mother. If two wrongs don't make a right, then the original "wrong" must be prevented from occuring, or else the wrongful act will punish the child."

Duh? again. I know. However, until that happens, legally allowing MORE punishment of BORN children is still WRONG and illogical. It is not less wrong to punish born children in some kind of bizarre payback for women having the "right" to abort. The child certainly never requested that "right" and furthermore his mother did not abort. So he's paying for the actions of other women, not his mother by being denied paternal support. Twisted logic.

What the "paper abortion" proposal would does is punishes women who DON'T ABORT and their children .... in retribution for women who DO abort. ???? Ever think about that? It doesn't make any logical sense.

This is punishing people who don't do something for the acts of those who do. Totally twisted. Kind of like gang raping a woman in as punishment for her brother committing crime or selling your children into marriage to get yourself out of jail. This is 7th Century logic that happens in places like Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan etc. Only some are proposing laws using the exact same logic here in the USA in the 21st century!!!

90 posted on 08/09/2002 7:05:01 PM PDT by Lorianne
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