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To: Zon
My argument has always been that of a property rights issue.

That which you call an "appendage" meets the medical definition of a human life in the early stages of its own development, despite your personal assertion. Most others do not recognize human beings as property.

Your philosophical "appendage" argument ignores the fact that this "appendage" grows to live a life of its own, independent of a "host." Appendages don't do that. It also commits a truly sophomoric falacy in which the existence of parallels between two things is sufficient to establish that they are the same. It's like noting that cats have fur, four legs, and live with humans as pets - and therefore are dogs.

Baring medical intervention when the woman dies the fetus always dies with her.

Now you recognize the survivability of the fetus with medical intervention. Please also recognize the case of an invalid being supported by a nurse. He also dies when she does, barring medical intervention.

344 posted on 08/06/2002 6:57:50 PM PDT by Snuffington
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To: Snuffington

Most others do not recognize human beings as property.

I have not heard even one person say "it's the fetus's woman." Yet I have heard countless times that "it's the woman's fetus". Every person I have ever heard recognizes that a woman's fetus is her fetus.

Your philosophical "appendage" argument ignores the fact that this "appendage" grows to live a life of its own, independent of a "host." Appendages don't do that.

As I said, it is not philosophical. It is a fact that -- baring medical intervention -- when the woman dies so do all her appendages die with her. Therefore the fetus appendage is dependant on the woman.

Zon: Baring medical intervention when the woman dies the fetus always dies with her.341

Now you recognize the survivability of the fetus with medical intervention.

It's not a new recognition as you may have implied. I recognized it in my earlier posts; 337 and also in my original 223 post, which you responded to, where I wrote: "Many appendages a woman has can be removed and be kept alive separate from the woman." In that original post I also identified the survivability of donated organs.

 Please also recognize the case of an invalid being supported by a nurse. He also dies when she does, barring medical intervention.

I hope that's not some sort of revelation for you. I mean, it's obvious isn't it. Many people that have required medical intervention have died because they didn't get medical intervention.

378 posted on 08/06/2002 8:38:52 PM PDT by Zon
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