[LibKill]

I will sit at 500 meters with a 16 and you can have your vaunted AK. You need luck I just need to squeeze the trigger

Yes, I have fired the M16 A1 at 500 meters. Yes you can hit things with it that far out.

And a pinch of sand will jam that P.O.S. so tight that you will need an armorer to clear it.

If range is a consideration the old M-14 is good to 1,000 meters.

[Beenliedto]

If range is a consideration the old M-14 is good to 1,000 meters.

I like my old M-1 at 1000 meters... now if that empty clip just didn't make that distinctive sound.....

[Nov3]

The 16 will shoot to 1000. The marines use it competitively. I have never had one jam and I have had them pretty dirty. The original AR-15 (Air Force) M-16 (Army) that had no forward assist would jam as you describe and had a well desrved bad reputation (caused in part by ammo). The newer ones are without peer.

I will leave it up to you to carry a M-14 all day!!!!!

[SSN558]

I just got back from the Camp Perry High Power matches. The Navy teams are still shooting M14's and hitting the target at 600 yards with regular match ammo. The Marines and Army are using M16's but they must all use modified guns with bull barrels to be competitive. Also, they are using modified ammo. At longer ranges they single load cartriges that use long 80 grain bullets. These rounds are so long that they can not be cycled automatically.

In short, the black rifle is not suitable as a sniper rifle in the as issued service condition. It never was. The M16 round will not penetrate light armor or trees. The M16 round richoets off water and sand too easy. The M4 carbine shares these same short commings.

A long range rifle that is less sensitive to dirt than the M16 is required for combat in the Middle East deserts. The carbines will not be useful until a city is invaded and door to door combat ensues. Sounds like the plan ?

[SSN558]

I just got back from the Camp Perry High Power matches. The Navy teams are still shooting M14's and hitting the target at 600 yards with regular match ammo. The Marines and Army are using M16's but they must all use modified guns with bull barrels to be competitive. Also, they are using modified ammo. At longer ranges they single load cartriges that use long 80 grain bullets. These rounds are so long that they can not be cycled automatically.

In short, the black rifle is not suitable as a sniper rifle in the as issued service condition. It never was. The M16 round will not penetrate light armor or trees. The M16 round richoets off water and sand too easy. The M4 carbine shares these same short commings.

A long range rifle that is less sensitive to dirt than the M16 is required for combat in the Middle East deserts. The carbines will not be useful until a city is invaded and door to door combat ensues. Sounds like the plan ?

[TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig]

Less weight=more ammo. A more versatile platform (it's not even close) has many advantages.

I've got mine and it seems I may have beaten the rush.