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Look, Ma, No Gas! (DaimlerChrysler's Natrium runs on borax and high hopes)
Car and Driver ^ | August 2002 | DAN NEIL

Posted on 08/02/2002 8:51:16 PM PDT by Rebelbase

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Long article. Photos and story at this link.


1 posted on 08/02/2002 8:51:16 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase
Borax: it runs your car and cleans your laundry.
2 posted on 08/02/2002 8:53:02 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: Rebelbase
Maybe our Ballard stock will go up.
4 posted on 08/02/2002 9:06:49 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Rebelbase
Natrium's 35kW (47 hp) Siemens AC motor

47 horsepower is how much in mule power?

6 posted on 08/02/2002 9:12:11 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: goldstategop
Next will be the The Honda Whirlpool...
7 posted on 08/02/2002 9:12:12 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: RightWhale
14 two-by-fours, why?</p>
8 posted on 08/02/2002 9:12:42 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Rebelbase
Here ya go.


9 posted on 08/02/2002 9:22:09 PM PDT by Erasmus
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To: Rebelbase
Years ago I used to watch a TV show called Death Valley Days which was sponsored by the Borax Company and their spokesman was an actor named Ronald Reagan.
10 posted on 08/02/2002 9:22:17 PM PDT by scouse
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Ronald Reagan was excellent as the announcer. He was really into the stories, true Americana.
11 posted on 08/02/2002 9:30:42 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Erasmus
Now, how did you find that on such short notice?
12 posted on 08/02/2002 9:31:29 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: one_particular_harbour
"Natrium? Isn't that a large rodent that lives in Louisiana swamps that Cajuns eat? "

A chemist's answer: "Na"

13 posted on 08/02/2002 9:41:52 PM PDT by capt. norm
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15 posted on 08/02/2002 9:55:23 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Rebelbase
It will be interesting to watch the Marxist-Environmentalists struggle with an abundant source of clean energy for vehicular propulsion. Should tie them in dialectical knots... :-)
16 posted on 08/02/2002 10:11:20 PM PDT by sourcery
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If what we already use was Fuel Injected at 13 times the pressure we now use it would also be "clean".

Which will happen the second any alternative provides meaningful competion.

17 posted on 08/02/2002 10:22:48 PM PDT by norraad
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If what we already use was Fuel Injected at 13 times the pressure we now use it would also be "clean".

Not quite!

With ANY carbon based fuel, whether it's fossil based or renewable, you still have the problem of CO & CO2 emissions. The "best" carbon based fuel would be methane (CH4) because it has the highest ratio of hydrogen to carbon (4/12 or .333). The idea is to get that carbon component down to zero.

18 posted on 08/03/2002 12:08:15 AM PDT by reg45
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I'm no chemist, so please help me out here. Does the increased pressure eliminate the CO? Regarding the C02, does this really matter? (Do we have a CO2 problem?)
19 posted on 08/03/2002 7:48:52 AM PDT by TheEngineer
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To: theprogrammer
Remember our discussion on: 'Hydrogen economy' a decade away: You wrote:

By the way, I read your link and I miss the point. All Millennium Cell has done is develop a little boron chemistry to store hydrogen a little more safely. This may be a good thing, but still doesn't solve the problem of where they get the hydrogen in the first place. 125


20 posted on 08/03/2002 8:41:52 AM PDT by Zon
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