Will Homeland Security Turn Into Homeland Spying?

www.eagleforum.org ^ | July 31, 2002 | Phyllis Schlafly

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

And what about that DAMN Neighborhood watch.. now thats intrusive and the epitomy of SPYING on your neighbor!!!! </sarcasm

The TIPS program is the SAME thing. People are FREAKING out about NOTHING. If I see strange activity, you can bet your sweet (or sour) A** I'm gonna report it! I could care less about someones hurt wittle feelings!!

Americans as a whole, are a lot more responsible than some would give them credit for. If someone was abusing the system and reporting falsely, that would be insane for a number of reasons!!

[SteamshipTime]

Will Homeland Security Turn Into Homeland Spying?

Does a bear **** in the woods?

[two23]

What is the german word for "fatherland"???
I dislike the title, "Homeland Security" immensly.
Every time I hear it, I cringe.
I know some were opposed to dusting off the label "Civil Defense" because it had such a cold-war ring to it...but "homeland" has some weird hitler echo to it.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

I feel this is my HOMELAND. I don't find offense in the word, ..but then I just don't let the small stuff make me lose sleep. Mere' symantecs.

I guess the only word whose "new usage" bothers me,.. is the word "GAY" (which I used to use all the time in my youth) and now a group of people use it to define a sexual preference. That bothers me. Otherwise, nope, homeland security is just fine by me.

Oh wait!!! OPERATION.. every time I hear the word OPERATION as in "Operation Desert Storm" etc, I remember bad experiences with SURGICAL Operations!!! (just kidding,.. you get my point)

:o)

FRegards,..and hey, welcome! I see you are a relatively new person to the forum.

[GaltMeister]

The sccary/wierd part about the TIPS program is that they intend to sign certain people up and 'train' them on what kind of 'suspicious' activity to report. You and I can still call 911, but these 'tipsters' would be specially trained, and would have a special conduit to submit thier reports.

Ever had a nosy neighbor or a rival that would stoop to the level of filing a report of 'suspicious' activity on you? Welcome to the new USA. Couple that with trigger happy jackboot thugs and no-knock entry and you see the tip of that iceberg.

The new Stazi, right here in our own beloved United States.

[widowithfoursons]

Phyllis is on target with this one. If 9/11 had happended when Clinton was POTUS we would be fighting every new and expansive govt idea he had. Let's not forget what could happen down the road if another reprobate administration is in power.

[two23]

Thanks for the welcome! I really like FR--

I'm not **offended** by "Homeland" it's just one of those grate-on-my-nerve-words!
Kinda like when cable news pundits say:
"...at the end of day-----" (meaning "bottom line is--")
(((((arrrrgggg!)))))
Civilian Defense is ok--separates between Civilian and Miltary Defense. We are civilians...that word implying "people"..whereas "homeland" (in my mind) takes the people out of the picture and conjures up images of plain ole real estate.
Now...on its own, "Homeland Security" would seem a quaint term, but start adding items like TIPS, National ID cards, Gun Registration, and search and seizures without warrents and then it reeks a little!

[SUSSA]

I agree that there is nothing to worry about when the government recruits and rewards informers. Castro implemented the TIPs program when he came to power in Cuba, and it seems to work well there too. Every neighborhood, work place, apartment building, school and church should have at least one government informant.

In fact we shouldn't stop there. Government schools should be training children to inform on their parents and relatives. The children can be especially effective in weeding out malcontents who think the government is too big or too powerful.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

What a bunch of paranoid dribble. BOO!!

[SUSSA]

I'm from the government. I'm here to help you. LOL

[Tailgunner Joe]

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

I'll believe that when I see it. Can you show me where you found this information? Is it a fact?

[dcwusmc]

Oops. They do. It's called D.A.R.E. Trains kids to be snitches wrt guns, drugs or any other verboten thing...

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

I'm from the government. I'm here to help you. LOL <.i>

Would you consider the military a part of the Government..?? Just curious!

[SUSSA]

I knew they would get to that. We need more of it. We can't let people question the political class and get away with it. Children make very effective government informants and we need all the informants we can get.

[SUSSA]

I don't want the military doing domestic police work. Their job is to defend the borders from foreign aggression and to eliminate any foreign power that tries to harm the U.S. Let the military do their job and let the state and local police do theirs.

[dtel]

Is this the actual pamphlet?
I am especially referring to the different "extremist groups" referenced.

[Tailgunner Joe]

It's an old flyer distributed by the Phoenix FBI. See Here

[dcwusmc]

The armed services are part of the government, about the ONLY part of FedGov that the Constitution allows FedGov to do... No, the services are NOT to be used as some sort of domestic police force. Posse Comitatus still rules... BUT having an ORGANIZED snitch program smacks way too much of the old USSR or Germany, either under uncle Adolph or under the Stasi.... If you or I see anything that looks like a terrorist activity and we cannot stop it alone, we know how to dial a phone. But training squads of snitches is not now nor ever should be an American way of doing things. I recall some other thread where you were ready to trade away your liberty for a (false) sense of security. Which is fine by me, as long as you leave MY liberty alone. Deal? You go live on base or in some internment camp where you can be as secure as you like. Leave the rest of us out of it!