What is wrong with Libertarianism.

Conservative Commentary ^ | 28 July 2002 | Peter Cuthbertson

[rb22982]

Search peoples beds? Since when do we do that? To grossly overstate the situation is so dishonest of you and you want me to trust your words.

You said promote homosexuality, the LP would not promote homosexuality at all, would NOT let the state sanction gay marriage (or any marriage)--feel its a church responsibility; and so I'm not sure what the difference is then between the LP and the GOP on homosexuality.

[Khepera]

There you go again, accusing people of something that is not policy. Nobody is snooping bedrooms as you put it.

[rb22982]

No, you are simply not understanding what I am saying. You said the LP promotes homosexuality. I stated the LP position. We dont arrest, we dont let the state sanction gay marries. This is different than the GOP how current? So if the LP is 'promoting homosexuality', then so is the GOP, the only other way is to make homosexuality a criminal act which requires going into people's bedrooms to prove it.

[Khepera]

I've never heard of them having to go into their bedrooms to prove it. Public latrines on the other hand seem to produce an abundance of evidence. Public parks as well.

[rb22982]

I'm sure the LP would have you arrested for indecent exposure, and probably public sex crime. Libertarians are not necessarily against regulating acts in public, by any means.

[Khepera]

Yes and I think the greatest number of all parties would draw the line at snooping in your bedroom.

[rb22982]

so how then, in your opinion, make libertarianism 'pro homosexuality." Even with prostitution, just because we dont want it illegal, doesn't mean we dont think it is immoral. Because you (probably) want alcohol to be kept legal does that make you pro alcoholism?

[Khepera]

When something is legal it is promoted...

[rb22982]

Utter nonsense, do you think people should be allowed to practice Islam? Are you promoting it? Do you think adults should be able to see R rated movies? Are you necessarily promoting it? Do you think alcohol should continue to be legal? Are you promoting it? Do you think people should be free to study communism/socialism if they choose? Do you promote it? Do you think people should be allowed to read the Koran? Are you promoting it?

[Trailerpark Badass]

Hypocrisy is still rampant, among certain groups at FR.

Hypocrisy? Or stupidity?

[Godel]

This article makes some great points. A free nation must be a moral nation.

[The KG9 Kid]

Hear hear!

[The KG9 Kid]

"... I bet Libertarians line the bottom of the wage scale in this country based on their threads."

I bet my car payment is more than your house mortgage payment. :D

[The KG9 Kid]

"... I bet Libertarians line the bottom of the wage scale in this country based on their threads."

I bet my car payment is more than your house mortgage payment. :D

[ArGee]

Well, that's the big question: Is it possible to have a moral society without that morality being reflected in and enforced by the law/state?

I would say that it is impossible to have a moral society if the morality is being reflected in and enforced by the law/state. In fact, one Biblical passage (forgive me for not citing the reference) points out that making a law against something automatically plants the idea in the mind of the person reading the law.

Legal codes grow when people make bad choices. There is no requirement for a law against murder until men start murdering.

The biggest problem is how does a society choose its morality. Is it merely an opportunity for majority opinion, or is there an actual moral law which governs the universe and which men must strive to learn and apply - like the physical law? I believe there is a moral law and that violation of that law is destructive, just as violating physical law is (although it is not nearly as immediate).

Shalom.

[ArGee]

Khep, the other problem that libertarians have is the lie of "between mutually consenting adults." The truth is that "no man is an island alone unto himself." Everything has consequences that spread beyond ourselves. Generally they are unintended, but they are important.

That's why a social morality that has been demonstrated as working to uphold the social fabric must itself be upheld. And that's why a libertarian plank to take away the legal stigma of things that "don't harm anyone else" such as drug abuse, prostitution, etc, is dangerous to our republic.

Shalom.

[A CA Guy]

Your car payment would "of course" be more than my mortgage. That is because I have "NO" mortgage and have "paid off" the house.

I also just paid $60,000 CASH for a new Lexus LS430 with all the fun stuff. I don't like payments.

I buy things for cash out of savings from my earnings.

I don't believe in credit except for your home.