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To: crystalk
When some nutcase points to the Internment Camps for the Japanese in 1941, you can tell them that there was not one single instance of an American of Japanese descent being involved in an act of subversion. None. Zero.

Mohammedans??? Hell, they're openly subversive. Millions of them, right here, right now.

There is a huge difference.
16 posted on 07/31/2002 4:40:38 PM PDT by Guillermo
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To: Guillermo
Nothing in my post should be taken as saying anything negative about Japanese or any other non-Muslims.

Everything in my post should be taken to say that Muslims are demon-possessed slaves of Satan, and Fernando and Isabela knew just what to do about them in Spain, and it is time we did the same. The longer it is put off the more blood will be shed.

18 posted on 07/31/2002 4:48:55 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: Guillermo
When some nutcase points to the Internment Camps for the Japanese in 1941, you can tell them that there was not one single instance of an American of Japanese descent being involved in an act of subversion. None. Zero.

Because they were in camps?

24 posted on 07/31/2002 5:09:48 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Guillermo
When some nutcase points to the Internment Camps for the Japanese in 1941, you can tell them that there was not one single instance of an American of Japanese descent being involved in an act of subversion. None. Zero.

This is so blatantly and obviously wrong I don't even know where to start.

For one, the "Niihau incident"....Japanese attacker of Pearl Harbor crash lands on Niihau, Japanese-American (born in Hawaii, to boot) assists him in a killing spree, both were finally killed, really interesting story (and there's this heroic enormous native Hawaiian guy who got shot umpteen times, disarmed the pilot, and lived.)

And there was a fairly extensive Japanese-American intelligence operation in the US.

A rather high percentage of Japanese-Americans refused to forswear allegiance to the Emperor.

MOST Japanese-Americans were loyal citizens, of course, as are MOST American Muslims. And the internment of Japanese-Americans WAS illegal, as any internment of US Muslims would be (even J. Edgar Hoover, no namby-pamby rights activists, thought it was wrong). However, the internment camps weren't concentration camps, and a lot about the whole deal wasn't as bad as the media would have you believe; it was only Japanese on the WEST coast, you could leave the camps at any time if you found housing anywhere else in the country, or went to college (which many Japanese-Americans did, etc.)

31 posted on 07/31/2002 5:29:23 PM PDT by John H K
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To: Guillermo
Mohammedans??? Hell, they're openly subversive. Millions of them, right here, right now.

There is a huge difference.

Am I correct in assuming that what you are trying to say is, that we are drowning in PC?

32 posted on 07/31/2002 5:32:56 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: Guillermo
When some nutcase points to the Internment Camps for the Japanese in 1941, you can tell them that there was not one single instance of an American of Japanese descent being involved in an act of subversion. None. Zero.

It's truly sad that the actual history of why the west coast Japanese were interned is so little understood.

We had broken the Japanese diplomatic and military codes, and were reading their messages, including messages naming their actual agents and spies in the USA. One of the reasons Pearl Harbor was so successful was that the Japanese put on an "added layer of security" and did not refer to it in cable traffic in advance. As a result, we were overly confident that no Japanese military move could take place without our knowledge....big mistake.

Anyway, we knew the names and addresses of scores of Japanese agents in the USA by 1941. If we went door to door rounding just them up, it would have been obvious to the Japnese high command that their codes were broken. Instead all the west coast Japanese were rounded up, the secret agents and spies among them, and the secret was kept. The Japanese agents and spies never knew they were the target.

FDR took the heat for the decision, not even Truman knew about the broken codes, as he did not know about the atomic bomb. Very few had a "need to know". FDR died in office and so did not live to tell the secret and the reasons for internment. The secret history of US code breaking was not declassified until the 70s and 80s, and this part of the war is not known by many.

Keep in mind that Churchill knew in advace that Coventry was to be saturation bombed, and did not move fighters north to stop it, in order to keep the "Ultra" secret. Such was the value of keeping secret the secret of the broken Axis codes.

I just wish more Americans today understood the rationale behind some of the mysteries of WW2, such as the internment of the west coast Japanese.

113 posted on 07/31/2002 9:09:08 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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