Those Who Hate Us (Muslim Americans)

Newsmax ^ | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 | Barry Farber

[sarasmom]

Re your #55

You forgot to add:

But true

[Johnny Shear]

A dumb conspiracy theory is a dumb conspiracy theory, regardless of the source.

Anyone who has ever posted here raving about the idiotic "FDR knew about/arranged Pearl Harbor" crap, or about a massive government coverup of TWA 800 being shot down by a Navy Missle, who criticizes any stupid Arab theory about 9/11 being perpetrated by the US Government, is a Class-1 Grade-A World Champion Hypocrite of the first order.

Well said. True on all points. Whacked-out Kooks are Whacked-out Kooks. No matter what they're obcessing on.

[FreedomAvatar]

Perhaps. However, I think Americans have shown an amazing amount of restraint. How much tolerance do muslims show? How many muslims openly speak out against fundamentalist Islam?

All Muslims may not be "terrorists" in action, but I believe a frightening number of them are terrorists in spirit.

[Red Jones]

it is very sad that the muslims who live in america and have had an opportunity to get to know us are so alienated as the article points out. I guess that we've got our work cut out for us because even though the muslim community is simply wrong in this alienation and hatred for us we still need to overcome this challenge.

[Tasha]

We cannot judge people's spirits. The only one who can look into man's soul is the Lord. If anyone is a terrorist, Muslim or not, they shall be dealt with and disposed of. But we cannot judge a man by religion or nationality, if they are a terrorist or not. The Spanish Basques are one of the most aggressive European terrorist groups, and they are Christians. Terrosrism doesn't have a nationality or religion. Terrorism is an act, not a state of mind.

[FreedomPoster]

The Islamic religion is not America's enemy.

Just how much have you read of the history, ideology, and practice of Islam in the world?

My experience is that people who have spent any time in these pursuits, come to the conclusion that Islam is incompatible with Western ideas of personal freedoms and rights and secular government. Personally, I will become tolerant of Islam when churches are tolerated in Mecca and Medina.

Ignoring reality does not protect you from the consequences of ignoring reality.

[Tasha]

Just how much have you read of the history, ideology, and practice of Islam in the world?

I have studied the history of Islam, just about from the beginning. Basically I was interested about what happened to Ishmael, after he left with his Egyptian slave. So I did lots of research and study and tried to read the old Hebrew writings.
In the beginning there were two brothers, Isaac and Ishmael. Abraham was their father. Yes, I did lots of studying and I'm deeply saddened that the descendents of the two brothers can't talk to each other. I wouldn't judge either of them. I pray that they will get together, find some common ground and start talking peace. Maybe some day the Almighty will hear my prayers. You never know. He works in mysterious ways.

[flyer182]

What I find most funny about you are your threats about what will happen if the muslims feel threatened. Then your nazi talk. Considering that the head muslim in Egypt during WWII was a nazi sympathiser. The religion is in the dark ages. We will find out who can shove the hardest when the time comes.

[Dasaji]

As a devoted and quite obsessed FReeper, I have to say that I am waiting, patiently, to see a ton of articles posted by Freepers about Muslim-Americans speaking out in unity against what took place September 11th. I want to see an overwhelming amount of Muslim-American sources, speaking in unity, that Islam is not what "we" think it to be.

So far, there has been little. At least not enough to convince me that the danger isn't real. I've tried to be patient, I've tried to read all I can about Islam (to at least know what the heck it really is), I've tried to be culturally sensitive. But the more I read and the more I DON'T read (like the alarmingly lacking types of articles mentioned above) the more I think the "Islam is a Religion of Peace" and "Not ALL muslims are militant" mantras are baloney.

I want them to put their money where their mouth is. Show me. Prove to me, to the WASP'y Americans, that we have nothing to fear from them.

[Neophyte]

It is ridiculous to suggest the deportation of "all" Muslims. They don't ALL hate us.

When you have a war on your hands, isn't it ridiculous to ask "Are there no good Muslims?".

Yes, it is. 'Cause the war-time answer is "Good Muslims - in good coffins, bad Muslims in lousy ones..."

But seriously, the question isn't new, they asked it about Germans during the WWII. The answer was "Let's win, then we'll see".

In 1953, G C Marshall received the Nobel Peace Prize for his European Recovery Program which helped the Germans to return to the family of Western democracies. The very same gentleman was sworn in as U.S. Army chief of staff on Sept 1, 1939 - the day when Germany attacked Poland beginning the World War II.

More to your doubts: was it possible to distinguish between "good" and "bad" Germans before the victory?

[flyer182]

Like a good muslim you do not refute but toss another accusation. So you really are just anti-Israeli or anti-jewish. The fighting abilities of the modern arab are well documented in how many defeats at the Isreali's hands? 7 or 8. Maybe the next time around they need to import all those security guards to kick some israeli butt.

[Tasha]

There wasn't a country yet which could warranty 100 percent security to their citizens. And even if you lock up every Muslim in America, that wouldn't warranty 100 percent security. Nor would it make America more safe. There will be other groups, and before you know it, you're in a giant camp.Just put the barb wire around and call the guards.

[Tasha]

I am far from being anti-Jewish, or anti-Arab. I'm really tired of pictures of dying people in that part of the world. And the only thing that I pray for is peace.

[sarasmom]

"But my point is that not all Muslims are bad, and we are not fighting a war against Muslims or Islam. We are fighting the war against terrorists. That's the point I'm trying to make."

I will assume you are sincere.They point you are "trying to make" is not supported by either anecdotal evidence nor actual facts.

You "feel" Muslims are as harmless and diverse ,as are, for example,Christians.You assume the same degree of diversity and zealousness in religious belief applies to Muslims.The error you make is in disregarding basic theology in comparing "religions".

Christianity and Islam are not mere variations of a theme.Islam stands alone as the cult which has a basic inability to live in a secular society.Individual human life,if it deviates from Islamic law, is worthless.

I have easily co-existed with Christians,Jews,Pagans,Hindu's,Buddhists,Deists,Agnostics, Atheists, Wiccans,and those who subscribe to alternative reality theories.

None of the above advocate my physical death due to my unbelief.

Islam stands alone.

As you self-rightously, and apparently ignorantly, take the "high road" of worshipping the god "Tolerance",you should not be surprised that those more educated on this subject than you, differ.

BTW, I will take your 300,000 and raise you a 1,000,000 good ole boys. ;^)

[Burr5]

Yes, idiot, the reason for deporting alien residents from known enemy states is "because I AM AFRAID OF THEM." Why aren't you? They are here only for our supposed benefit. It is OUR COUNTRY. They have no "right" to remain here. And this is war. Don't you dare quote constitutional principles to me. They don't apply to foreign "visitors" from Iran, Iraq, Syria, or North Korea. If you don't like what I said, you might be happy to know that I'm also hated by someone on this thread who thinks we should deport "all muslims". I disagreed with that. I think it's a pretty damn reasonable middle ground.

[Neophyte]

When you guys do that don't forget to put on your brown uniforms, some kind of arm band would be good. Pictures of the fuehrer are always welcome. The phrases Fatherland and Homeland Forever...

Hey, Tasha, when you're trying to equalize victims of the (Islamo)Nazis with the props, you just show how dishonest and testless you are. You can juggle all this rhetoric of brown shirts etc. as much as you wish, but you know what? It so strickingly resembles Soviet propaganda of the 50s that my fingers are itching to edit you nickname: Natasha. How about that?

[tet68]

This bears repeating.

how little we have to travel nowadays to hear grotesquery presented as history.

[Burr5]

1). See my last post. 2). Uhhh..last time I checked we didn't DEPORT all German-Americans during WWII. I think the OTHER guy who's giving me hell (he sounds like a Palestinian terrorist, to be honest) is the one you should go after.