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Former White House Drug Spokesman Bob Weiner Blasts John Stossel ABC 20-20 Report
U.S. Newswire ^ | July 31,2002

Posted on 07/31/2002 8:50:30 AM PDT by Wolfie

Former White House Drug Spokesman Bob Weiner Blasts John Stossel ABC 20-20 Report as 'Distorted, Inaccurate Excuse for Legalization'

Former White House drug policy spokesman Bob Weiner is blasting last night's ABC 20-20 drug piece by John Stossel: "It was a distorted and inaccurate excuse for drug legalization.

It blows off the successes and real reductions in use generated both by government drug policy and efforts by parents, teachers, coaches, businesses, community coalitions, religious leaders, and law enforcement."

Weiner, who was Director of Public Affairs for the White House Office of National Drug Policy May 1995-August 2001 under Drug Czars Lee Brown, Barry McCaffrey, and the Bush transition, pointed to what he calls "radical inconsistencies in Stossel's reporting. He repeatedly ignores or downplays each positive finding about drug policy."

"Stossel throws in the important data point that drug use is down by 50 percent but then says throughout the piece that use is the same and we are losing the war. He never says that crack cocaine -- the primary crime-causing drug in recent years -- is down by two-thirds. He finds one police chief who says it's all fruitless -- understandable in a particular high usage area -- but ignores and does not report the myriad of police who tell experts that crime and drugs are down because criminals and dealers are taken off the streets. He ignores the fact that the governments anti-drug media campaign the last four years has coincided with a 40 percent reduction of youth drug users and 25 percent improvement in parent anti-drug communication with youth -- huge success rates in precisely the intended target audiences.

"Stossel pushes his inaccurate points that the drug war 'creates crime' when it is precisely the opposite: drug use generates murders, domestic violence, and date rapes. He soft pedals marijuana use, with assertions by an archetypical long haired user that 'marijuana hasn't killed anyone,' but has no one pointing out that marijuana is the second leading cause of car crashes as well as the primary drug in teen drug treatment

"He has no understanding of foreign efforts, either," Weiner asserted. He quotes disputed CIA Colombia cocaine increase numbers based on their flawed, cloud-covered data despite Colombia's surveys showing significant drops in cultivation and the success of the spraying of 30 percent of its cocaine acreage. He never mentions that Peru and Bolivia obtained over 60 percent reductions and Colombias five year plan envisions an equally obtainable 50 percent reduction," says Weiner, who has been on two recent Colombia missions with McCaffrey.

"He asserts that Europe is succeeding with a liberalized policy but does not mention that drug seizures in Europe have doubled the last three years and use has gone up, indicating that Europe may face our drug and crime problems of past decades that we have escaped from by the comprehensive education and law enforcement efforts we are now making. Stossel dismisses former Drug Czar McCaffrey's assertions of the 'disaster' of European legalization trends by saying 'not what we heard', hardly a scientific methodology.

"Finally, Stossel barely mentions the concession of his own legalization advocates that 'maybe more would use drugs'. He insists that 'The war on drugs is a war on ourselves.' To dismiss the point that under legalization more would use drugs -- and that hospital emergency rooms would be flooded, crime and dropouts would rise, families would be disrupted, and the toll would be immeasurable -- is like asking Mrs. Lincoln on that fateful day, 'Aside from that Mrs. Lincoln how was the play?'"

Weiner concluded by asserting, "I have never seen a worse piece of major journalism on drug policy other than perhaps a similar one done by Geraldo Rivera years ago when he refused to use interview points by the Drug Czar which disagreed with Geraldo's thesis."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: clintonoid; drugwar; sycophant
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To: robertpaulsen
Quote for me the assertion from my own hands/posts that pot has/had no possible correlation with accidents. You can't because I've never said it, typed it or even hinted at it. All I'm doing is pointing out that evidence of canniboids means nothing when determining the capability of a driver because it hangs around in the system so long.

As I've allready stated, I don't want anyone in such positions high on anything. It is dangerous. Being high does impair motor and thinking abilities.

Your straw man has been disassembled..move on.

EBUCK

201 posted on 07/31/2002 1:14:56 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: E Rocc
"He's probably including people who get high and take a nap in their car."

While driving.

202 posted on 07/31/2002 1:15:08 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: EBUCK
And the funny part is, many people didn't wake up until they saw those silly "drug use=support of terrorists" adds. It felt good to be a part of the debunking of that one.
John had a slick answer to that one, mentioning that terrorist groups had made money in the black market caused by drug prohibition. >:)

At least our tax dollars didn't pay for his show, unlike those obscenities they showed during the Super Bowl.

-Eric

203 posted on 07/31/2002 1:15:57 PM PDT by E Rocc
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To: E Rocc
The second leading mind altering substance found in the systems of accident participants (surely not including caffine, prozak, nicotine). Alchohol 52%, pot 7%. Second by a long ways.

EBUCK

204 posted on 07/31/2002 1:16:53 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: pupdog

I'm sure many people could drive and sip beer at the same time. Some here seem to be begging for someone to make similar statements about other substances.

As a side note, a cigarette could be used to keep the smoker awake, but it's not for everyone.
205 posted on 07/31/2002 1:19:52 PM PDT by apochromat
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To: E Rocc
That was fun! Here is a link from when it came out...Link

EBUCK

206 posted on 07/31/2002 1:22:45 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Impeach the Boy
the idea of legalizing drugs is stupid, and has been judged so by the VOTING public
The same "voting public" that elected the Sinkmeister twice? Excuse us if we don't see them as the Great Font of Political Intelligence.

-Eric

207 posted on 07/31/2002 1:23:40 PM PDT by E Rocc
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To: robertpaulsen
More info:

A number of driving simulator studies have shown that marijuana does not produce the kind of psycho-motor impairment evident with modest doses of alcohol. 80 In fact, in a recent NHTSA study, the only statistically significant outcome associated with marijuana was that drivers drove more slowly. 81A recent study of actual driving ability under the influence of cannabis - employing the same protocol used to test the impairment-potential of medicinal drugs - evaluated the impact of placebo and three active THC doses in three driving trials, including one in high-density urban traffic.

Dose-related impairment was observed in drivers' ability to maintain steady lateral position. However, even with the highest dose of THC, impairment was relatively minor - comparable to that with blood-alcohol concentrations of between .03 and .07 % and many legal medications. Drivers under the influence of marijuana also tended to decrease their speed and approach other cars more cautiously. While recognizing some limitations of this study, the authors conclude that "THC is not a profoundly impairing drug." 82

Source

There are links for the notes on that page to back up the claims.

208 posted on 07/31/2002 1:23:44 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: EBUCK
You don't have a problem legalizing the usage of drug, the presence of which cannot be determined? You admit that it's dangerous, yet there is no way of testing an individual? Maybe he's high, maybe he's not?

Well, let's keep this a secret. If it got out, pot might never be legalized.

209 posted on 07/31/2002 1:30:50 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: All
interesting statistic

The weed and the web

(from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2163416.stm)
Some people seem to be taking the "high" in hi-tech rather too literally.
A survey about cannabis use has found that people who work in the technology industry are the most likely to have tried the drug.

The results reveal that almost a third of those who admitted they had tried cannabis worked in the technology and telecommunications industries.

Overall the survey found that 72% of those questioned admitted that they had tried the drug at one time or another.

Top tokers

Almost 92% of the people that work in the technology and telecommunications industries answered "yes" to the survey's question asking if they had ever smoked cannabis.

"Obviously, cannabis users work in a variety of professions," said James Malach, creative director at technology firm TongueWag which commissioned the survey, "but the high proportion of users in the IT sector is considerably higher than we suspected."

The industry sector with the second largest group of admitted users is the financial world in which almost 79% said they had once been users of cannabis.

Least likely to be cannabis users were those employed in the leisure and travel industry. Only 61.5% of those questioned that worked in this group confessed that they had used it.

Despite being the biggest group of users, technology workers were not the most regular smokers of cannabis.

About 22% of those questioned who work in the teaching profession said they tried the drug on almost a daily basis.

The survey questioned 1000 people aged between 18 and 35 across the UK.
210 posted on 07/31/2002 1:31:03 PM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: robertpaulsen
The presence of active THC can be determined. Currently, it is not the actual THC being tested for, but metabolytes of THC which stick around in the system long after the drug has worn off. If they simply tested for THC itself then you could tell who was still under the influence. If there were demand for such a test then it would be developed. Of course, a tolerated level would have to eb determined, much like alcohol has now (.08% in my states, I believe)
211 posted on 07/31/2002 1:35:49 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: robertpaulsen
It may, or may not, cause critical distraction for a short period, dependent on a variety of controllable factors. A skilled driver could recognize and compensate.

Like many widely used non-steroid anti-inflammatory medicines which have generated false positives, it's not a sedative.
212 posted on 07/31/2002 1:36:43 PM PDT by apochromat
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To: robertpaulsen
btw, one can also test for byproducts of alcohol that stick around long after the user is sober, but this is not generally done. Some companies do this test (and for nicotine) as a condition of employment. I was told that the military does this during initial processing at bootcamp, but I think they were just trying to scare us out of getting drunk the night before shipping out.
213 posted on 07/31/2002 1:38:53 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: ravingnutter
There is more to driving a car than psycho-motor skills. Judgment and concentration come to mind. My 14 year old has better motor skills than I do, should he drive?

Geez, good old cannabis.co*m there leads one to believe that it's OK to smoke and drive, doesn't it? Do you believe it?

214 posted on 07/31/2002 1:42:00 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
There is no way of testing whether or not a person will go on a murderous rampage next week either. Does that mean we should outlaw humnans?

EBUCK

215 posted on 07/31/2002 1:47:11 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: robertpaulsen
Funny that you quote a pro-decriminalization doper in your profile.
216 posted on 07/31/2002 1:47:42 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: robertpaulsen
A newly released National Highway Transportation Safety Administration study indicates that alcohol is by far the leading cause of drug-related traffic accidents, while marijuana poses negligible danger except when combined with alcohol.

The study, the most comprehensive drug accident survey to date, is dated October 1992, but is only now being released. A researcher familiar with the project says this is because it contradicts the government's official anti-drug line that illicit drugs are a major public safety hazard.

The study investigated blood samples from 1882 drivers killed in car, truck and motorcycle accidents in seven states during 1990 - 91. Alcohol was found in 51.5% of the specimens. Just 17.8% showed traces of other drugs; marijuana was a distant second to alcohol at 6.7%, followed by cocaine (5.3%), benzodiazepine tranquillizers (2.9%) and amphetamine (1.9%). Two-thirds of marijuana- and other-drug-using drivers were also positive for alcohol.

The report concluded that alcohol was by far the "dominant problem" in drug-related accidents. A responsibility analysis showed that alcohol-using drivers were conspicuously culpable in fatal accidents, especially at high blood concentrations or in combination with other drugs, including marijuana. However, those who used marijuana alone were found to be if anything less culpable than non-drug-users. The report concluded, "there was no indication that marijuana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents."

Source

THIS is the study Weiner was citing...he knows dang good and well what the truth is, but instead chooses to distort the facts because they do not fit in with the Government's anti-marijuana line. That my friend is LYING.

217 posted on 07/31/2002 1:49:01 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: robertpaulsen
It makes as much sense as someone saying that, absent any indication to the contrary, driving below an .08 BAC is okay.

Everyone understands that drivers get better with experience, and so you are gratuitously bringing your child into the discussion.

Thanks for ignoring me, by the way.
218 posted on 07/31/2002 1:49:11 PM PDT by apochromat
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To: Britton J Wingfield
I think they were just trying to scare us out of getting drunk the night before shipping out.

They told us the same thing. I god blitzed the day-night-day-night before I shipped out. Never heard a word about it though. I agree, scare tactic.

EBUCK

219 posted on 07/31/2002 1:49:26 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: apochromat
He seems to ignore anyone that actually has an asnwer to his rhetorical questions.
220 posted on 07/31/2002 1:50:31 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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