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To: RogueIsland
RogueIsland,

When the government buys spare parts for weapons, how often to they solicit bids from other than the original manufacturer? Read below from a Commerce Business Daily posting. As I said, I don't think that Beretta has solved their problem. The 92 was designed to be carried a lot and shot a little. I wouldn't be caught dead with one. Then again, maybe I would....

10--M9 9MM Pistols parts consisting of: Barrel, Pistol; Block, Locking; Insert, Screw; Receiver w/Bushing; Slide, Rear Sight, Safety w/Lever

General Information


Document Type: Presolicitation Notice
Solicitation Number: DAAE20-02-R-0040
Posted Date: Jul 23, 2002
Original Response Date: Sep 23, 2002
Current Response Date: Sep 23, 2002
Original Archive Date: Oct 23, 2002
Current Archive Date: Oct 23, 2002
Classification Code: 10 -- Weapons
Set Aside: N/A

Contracting Office Address
TACOM - Rock Island, ATTN: AMSTA-AQ-AR, Rock Island Arsenal, Rock Island, IL 61299-7630
Description
NA DESC: Multiple spare/repair parts for the M9 9MM Pistol. Requirements consist of the following six (6) items: (1) 1,393 each, Barrel Assembly, PN: 9346422, which has an overall length of 125.0 minimum; rifling bore groove quantity 6;, rifling direction, right-hand; material, steel; surface treatment, chromium plated; consists of: Barrel, Pistol, PN: 9346426, Block, Locking, PN: 9346425, Plunger Locking Block, PN 9346424, Spring, PN: D63477/8-5P. Proof firing required. Heat treat, phosphate coating, mag netic particle inspection required. (2) 5,000 each, Block Locking, PN: 9346425, Material: Forging, Steel, Alloy 4320 Hot Rolled, Grain Size 5 through 8, ASTM A 29, Overall length approximately 31.00MM, Heat Treat, phosphate coating, magnetic particle inspe ction required, (3) 10,000 each, Bushing, Grip Screw, PN: 9346473, which is made from a steel bar, Carbon 12L14, cold rolled per ASTM A108 with an approximate size of 4.15MM long X 6MM outside diameter with a protective finish of manganese phosphate base, class 1, supplementary oil treatment, (4) 500 each, Receiver, PN: 9346481, part is machined to a close tolerance from an extrusion, aluminum, forging alloy 7075-T6, part has an anodized finish, dyed black, numerous machining fixtures and inspections gages required, (5) 1,000 each, Safety with Lever, PN: 9346486, consists of close tolerance parts machined and formed from bar, alloy 8640 and 1030, cold rolled steel, heat treat and a manganese phosphate class 3, finish is required, and (6) 1,000 each, Slide , PN: 9346487, machined from forged steel, alloy 8640, resulphurized, heat treat, zinc phosphate class 2 finish and acrylic lacquer per MIL-L-19537, firing of one M905 High Pressure Test Cartridge in test fixture, magnetic particle inspection using circula r and longitudinal magnetization wet method required on each part. FOB is destination. For use on the M9 9MM Pistol. Estimated date of is 9 Aug 2002. The proposed contract will include a 100 percent option. This solicitation will be issued electronical ly in accordance with FAR 4.502 and 5.102, therefore, hardcopies will not be provided. Vendors wishing an electronic copy may download it on or after the issue date by accessing the following address via the internet: https://aais.ria.army.mil/aais/SOLINF O/index.htm. CAUTION: This solicitation will be issued electronically as will any amendments thereto. Because of this, the Government is under no obligation and is in fact unable to maintain a bidders mailing list. It is therefore incumbent upon any int erested parties to periodically access the above internet address in order to obtain any amendments which may be issued. Failure to obtain any said amendments and to respond to them prior to the date and time set for bid opening/receipt of proposals may r ender your bid or proposal nonresponsive and result in the rejection of same.
Original Point of Contact
Ellen Bartz, 309 782-5120
Email your questions to TACOM - Rock Island at bartze@ria.army.mil
Current Point of Contact
Ellen Bartz, 309 782-5120
Email your questions to TACOM - Rock Island at bartze@ria.army.mil
Place of Performance
Address: TACOM - Rock Island ATTN: AMSTA-AQ-AR, Rock Island Arsenal Rock Island IL
Postal Code: 61299-7630
Country: US
103 posted on 07/30/2002 9:07:24 AM PDT by IGOTMINE
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To: IGOTMINE
Strange to hear the negatives about the Baretta. I have had a 92F since around 1988 or so. It is one of the 'Made in Italy' Pietro models. I estimate that I have put more than 5,000 rounds through that gun, most of which have been Cor-Bon +P, and I have never had any issues at all. The gun has never (repeat NEVER) jammed, and despite the number of rounds, shows very little signs of wear and tear. And I have put it in some extreme circumstances, wet, muddy, hot, 300+ rounds in a day without cleaning, etc.

On the other hand, it did take me a good 6 months to get the groups as tight as I had them with my .45. Something about the wider grip maybe, but I agree with some of the comments that they are harder to shoot accurately until you get used to them.

Please let me know what I should be looking for in the 92F in terms of the parts that have failed in the M9s. Thanks in advance. Regards.
106 posted on 07/30/2002 9:31:42 AM PDT by spodefly
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