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Report: US to hit Baghdad in case of war
UPI | 7/29/02

Posted on 07/29/2002 1:07:54 AM PDT by kattracks

WASHINGTON, Jul 29, 2002 (United Press International via COMTEX) -- The Bush administration is considering taking Baghdad and other key Iraqi centers first in the event of an invasion of that country, the New York Times reports Monday.

This "inside-out" approach, as the strategy has been dubbed, would aim to disrupt Iraq's potential use of its weapons of mass destruction and topple or kill Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

The pros and cons of the plan are being discussed, but have not been presented to President Bush or senior members of his national security team, the Times said. Senior administration and Defense Department officials said other alternatives were also being considered.

Officials told the Times it may be possible to hit Iraq's centralized command-and-control system in which mid-level officers are not taught to improvise. Those mid-level officers may not fire weapons of mass destruction if they fear Saddam has been killed.

The Times said the plan would require less than 250,000 troops and would appeal to neighboring Arab states whose bases the United States would want to use in the event of a war. Most Arab states have opposed an attack on Iraq.

The Times said, however, something near the 250,000 figure might have to be deployed anyway, to ensure any forces dropped into Baghdad are not become isolated.

Saddam's elite troops surround the city, which is filled with antiaircraft batteries, the Times said. The Times said any new attack of "Iraq would probably include intense air attacks followed by a combined airborne and ground assault on strategic targets."

The Defense Department did not comment on the report.

But the plan has some supporters on Capitol Hill.

"There is a divergence of views on how can one best diminish the prospect that he uses weapons of mass destruction, with any efficacy," said Senator Joseph Biden Jr., D-Del., chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Biden said he had not been briefed on the plan.

He told the Times: "That is where the argument for an inside-out operation gains credibility. There is a diminished possibility that he will use chemical or biological weapons."

The operation is expected to be mostly U.S.-run, with Britain contributing significant forces.

Copyright 2002 by United Press International.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biden; insideout; iraq

1 posted on 07/29/2002 1:07:54 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Biden hasn't been briefed on 'the plan,' so he claims; but he's more than willing to talk about what he 'hasn't been briefed on' to the press.
2 posted on 07/29/2002 1:15:55 AM PDT by piasa
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To: piasa
Leahy must've told him. Time to throw these traitors in prison.
3 posted on 07/29/2002 1:17:03 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: kattracks
This is stupidity. Airborne units that far off will be surrounded in a built up environment, totally hostile population with enemy armor all around. Last time they called it Market Garden. All the Iraqies have to do is hug the US troops to prevent the use of US air power. It would also take the armored divisions several days to reach Baghdad...which is more then enough time for the inserted troops to run out of men and material. Pure stupidity. Something like this should only be used if the armored units are a day maybe two at most out from Baghdad...but by that time Saddamn can launch. Regardless, counting on the other guy to have no brains to react or to be passive is a sure sign for total disaster. The enemy rarely plays by the play book.
4 posted on 07/29/2002 2:53:17 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: piasa
Biden hasn't been briefed on 'the plan,' so he claims; but he's more than willing to talk about what he 'hasn't been briefed on' to the press.

Can you say "Canary Trap"? I knew you could ;))).

5 posted on 07/29/2002 4:01:35 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Stavka2
This is just junk put out to keep the pucker factor in Iraq high. Expect Rumsfeld to come out and condemn the leakers this week.
6 posted on 07/29/2002 4:03:40 AM PDT by piasa
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To: Cachelot
Yeah, now that would be sweet if Mr. Biden was the only one privy to the theory. ; )
7 posted on 07/29/2002 4:04:42 AM PDT by piasa
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To: Cachelot
ha, I see the NY Times has the story too... HERE


8 posted on 07/29/2002 4:07:45 AM PDT by piasa
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I thought they were going to come in from all directions? Then they say they are going to come in from bases in the south. Now they say they are going to just take Baghdad.

I wish they would tell us what is going on.

[/Sarcasm off]
9 posted on 07/29/2002 4:09:08 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt
I wish they would tell us what is going on.

<straight face>Hi, Saddam! How are you this morning? </straight face>

10 posted on 07/29/2002 4:15:00 AM PDT by piasa
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To: Vermont Lt
This sounds like good military strategy. Take the airborne into the most heavily fortified area so they can engage in house-to-house combat. At least you have to give the planner of this strategy the element of surprise. If this is sanctioned by anybody in the Pentagon, I think they better take the car keys away from the boys until they learn to drive.
11 posted on 07/29/2002 4:21:29 AM PDT by meenie
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To: meenie
It's sanctioned by nobody. It is a thinly desguised leak, however. It is designed to make Saddam pull in his horns around Baghdad so that the rest of the country will be relatively easy to overrun.

Believe me, the guys at the Pentagon have already relearned the lessons of Operation MARKET GARDEN. But they are betting that Saddam doesn't know that.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

12 posted on 07/29/2002 4:25:23 AM PDT by section9
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To: Cachelot
The other article goes out of its way to mention the name of a defense dept spokesman as 'not knowing,' too. Which would make Mr. Iraqi think the guy did leak...

13 posted on 07/29/2002 4:28:52 AM PDT by piasa
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To: section9
Arnhem may have been a disaster, but the Germans did succeed in taking Crete with paratroopers and airborne troops. It was a close-run thing, and they suffered heavy losses, but they did succeed.
14 posted on 07/29/2002 4:32:48 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: kattracks
This ought to work, but if not they are gonna need advice from Xenophon's "Anabasis", (Retreat of the 10,000) rather than the Inchon Landing.

Xenophon lead the retreat of 10,000 Greek Mercenaries who had to fight their way up the river from near present Bagdad and over the mountains to the Black Sea in 401 BCE.

So9

15 posted on 07/29/2002 6:19:08 AM PDT by Servant of the Nine
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To: kattracks
These leaks are intentional IMHO. They give the stories to the usual anti-american canaries like Biden and other Dems. The are all designed to "listen" to the responses from Saddam and other military leaders in Iraq.
17 posted on 07/29/2002 7:31:02 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Cachelot
Can you say "Canary Trap"?

Good call. I'll bet that's exactly what it is.

18 posted on 07/30/2002 7:42:18 AM PDT by Steve0113
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To: aristeides
Arnhem may have been a disaster, but the Germans did succeed in taking Crete with paratroopers and airborne troops. It was a close-run thing, and they suffered heavy losses, but they did succeed.

True. Crete was a stunning success, as was Narvik. Eban Emael was another outstanding feat of arms by the Luftwaffe's Fallschrimjaeger. Our own troops did well at St. Mere-Eglise and made a daring go of it at Market-Garden itself, as did Britain's Pegasus Division.

However, what happened to the Pegasus Division is instructive in regard to the use of airborne troops in an urban environment.

An assault on Baghdad proper would almost certainly involve siezing the airfields around Baghdad and driving on the city center. That's if we follow the New York Times Leak Plan and dive into Baghdad with guns blazing. However, we have to have some certainty that the population will not oppose us and Saddam and his high command will escape to fight another day.

It may work. Personally, I prefer the overkill approach. Armor. Heavy air. Mobile Infanty. Air assault. Artillery. I say we use all the arrows in our quiver to convince the Iraqi general staff that they have no chance. Then it will be so much easier for them to accept an offer they can't refuse.

Basing a whole operation on a tactic is not something that reassures me.

Let's do it big, and do it right.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

19 posted on 07/30/2002 6:49:28 PM PDT by section9
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