Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Austria Formally Declares War on Servia; Russia Moving Troops; Peace of Europe In Kaiser's Hands
NewYorkTimes ^ | July 28, 1914 | Special Cable

Posted on 07/27/2002 11:33:34 AM PDT by swarthyguy

Austrian Emperor to Take Command at Vienna Headquarters War Fever at Capital

Crowds Cheer Outbreak of Hostilities and Demonstrate at Friendly Embassies Outbreak of Food Riots

Prices Soar as Hostilities are Declared and the Government Steps in to Regulate There

Manifesto From Emperor

Forced to Grasp the Sword, He Says, to Defend the Honor of His Monarchy

France Fears a Great War

Army Moves to the Frontier - Belief in Paris That Russia Will Not Desert Servia

VIENNA, July 28- Upon the issue of the formal declaration of war against Servia today Emperor Franz Josef gave orders for the removal of the Summer Court from Ischl to the capital. His entourage tried to persuade him that Vienna air would not suit him, but the aged Emperor replied:

"I do not want the air of Vienna. I want the atmosphere of headquarters." The opening of the war has caused the imposition of all kinds of restrictions upon public business. All the railways, of course, are under military control, and the telegraphs are being reserved entirely for the service of the State. The hope is still entertained here that the war will be confined to Austria-Hungary and Servia. The report that Russia and France have intervened in Vienna is incorrect. In official circles here it is maintained that any action by those powers must be supported by the third party to the Triple Entente, namely, Great Britain. It is known that Great Britain and France do not want a European war. Peace among the great powers or war among the great powers must depend on the action of St. Petersburg.

At the Foreign Office here it is freely stated that now that war has begun Austria-Hungary will be bound to no more conditions such as she propounded prior to the outbreak of hostilities.

Food Prices Up in Vienna.

There was an abnormal rise in the price of provisions today, which caused great indignation on the part of the public, who flocked to the markets to lay in stores in anticipation of a possible scarcity. Vegetables in many cases trebled in price. Feeling ran so high that in many instances stallkeepers in the markets were mobbed or assaulted, and the police and to be called out to restore order. The authorities declare that the sudden increase in the prices of provisions and vegetables is totally unwarranted.

A permanent committee appointed to deal with the question of provisioning the country, sat today to discuss the regulation of prices in order to prevent the public being cheated. A similar meeting with the same object also was held in the Diet.

It was officially asserted that there was no reason for apprehension with regard to the food supply, and that it was needless for citizens to start the accumulation of stores of provisions. The only effect of such procedure, it was added, would be to still further raise prices.

Official arrangements have been made to take care of families of reservists called to the colors. In the event of a reservist being killed or reported missing an allowance of about 25 cents per day for each adult and 12 1-2 cents a day for children will be continued for six months.

RELATED HEADLINES

Notice Sent to the Powers of the Opening of Hostilities: Servian Vessels Seized:

Sharp Fighting, Begins Along the River Drina on the Bosnian Frontier:

Counter Invasion Plan: Montenegrin and Serb Armies to Invade Bosnia and Start a Rebellion There:

Grey's Peace Plan Fails: Kaiser Declines to Join in Conference to Exert Pressure on Austrian Ally: But Reply Is Conciliatory: And London Still Has Faith That His Influence Will Avert General Conflict

Czar's Forces Mass on Eastern Border: His Capital Expects War and Counts Confidently on England's Aid: Mobilization Order Ready: German, Official Says Its Issue Would Mean Launching of Kaiser's Army

Text of Austria-Hungary's Declaration of War

Russia Announces Its Wish to Remain at Peace Yet Is Determined to Guard Its Interests

OTHER HEADLINES

Warburg Is Won, Hitchcock Thinks: Expects Nominee for the Reserve Board to Appear Before Committee: Secret Conference Here: Banker Is Made to Understand There Is No Discrimination Against Him: Technical Point Explained: Charles R. Crane Called to White House, Presumably to Get Offer of Jones's Place

Mme. Caillaux Freed by Jury: Wild Tumult in Court After the Verdict -- Mobs in Streets Display Anger: 'Murderess!' Cries Crowd: Spectacle of Opposing Counsel Embracing Calms the Uproar for a Moment: Mme. Caillaux Receives: Attired in an Evening Gown, Is Congratulated by Her Friends -- says Labori Obtained Acquittal


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: austria; balkans; greatwar; historylist; serbia; wartoendallwars; worldwar1; worldwarone
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 101-120121-140141-160161-180 next last
To: weikel; Tropoljac
"The German high seas fleet worried Britain it was irrelevant to Serbia( a landlocked country at the time). The war was Russia's fault it should have just let Austria go into Serbia and kill the members of the various nationalist groups but it didn't because the Tsar felt pressured by the Pan Slavic crap."

Now it's Russia's fault! May I remind you: Russia was allied with Serbia, France and Great Britain. Austria was allied with Germany.

Germany had the right to support Austria's attack on Serbia and Russia did not had the right to support Serbia's defence! Is that, what you are saying?

To some croat posters: as we are discussing WWI, and Croatia never faught one of the big wars, your perspective is totaly irrelevant! You were more than happy to join the Yugoslav Kingdom (SHS) in 1918! And your superiority complex regarding the serbian culture is more than ridiculous!

1389,1914,1941,1999....

You have 1995, where you defeated WITH help from NATO a few hundred thousand Krajina Serbs ABANDONED by Milosevic! And you claim some superiority against those 'byzantine' serbs! And let's not forget the genocide in Croatia during WWII and Tito's commumist croatian dictatorship imposed on the people in Yugoslavia from 1945 to 1980. Sure signs of cultural superiority,...., or should I say, GERMANIC influence!?

121 posted on 08/03/2002 4:54:03 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: Tropoljac
"We were in Catholic central Europe as opposed to being in the Ottoman Empire."

So, how far away is Osjiek from Novi Sad these days?

By the way, what would have been the alternative? I mean, if croatia wouldn't have joined YU in 1918?

122 posted on 08/03/2002 4:57:37 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 120 | View Replies]

Comment #123 Removed by Moderator

Comment #124 Removed by Moderator

To: Tropoljac
That's my point!

Croatia would never be where it is today, if it was not for this silly Yugo thing. How would have the map of the serbian state looked like in 1918, if there wouldn't have been a Yougoslavia?

125 posted on 08/03/2002 5:08:21 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 124 | View Replies]

To: weikel
Woodrow Wilson was responsible for the horrible World Order that emerged after Versailles (as well as being the father of American socialism).

Wilson is on my list of the top 10 most hated leaders of the 20th century. In some ways, he occupies the top spot.

126 posted on 08/03/2002 5:08:23 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

Comment #127 Removed by Moderator

To: Tropoljac
"Tito's Croatian dictatorship? Too funny! After he murdered 40,000 Croatians in May 1945, after he slaughtered our Priests, after he gave amnesty to the Chetniks in '44, after he took away Srijem, after he placed Serbs at the head of the communist party in Croatia, after he had Hebrang murdered.... "

Don't complain to me. He was a communist, croat dictator and he harmed the serbs in SFRY as well. Just look at his administrative borders for the republics in SFRY. But to be honest and looking from an historical point of view, Croatia payed a very small price, for all the sins commited during WWII.

128 posted on 08/03/2002 5:14:55 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 123 | View Replies]

To: Tropoljac
Blame Nikola Pasic, not me.

True!

As much as we should blame him or the King, you should errect a statue in Zagreb, for they gave you a staging area to accomplish your '1000 year old goal'!

Big mistake, our 'marriage' with croatia. Like in real life, we are still paying the price for engaging with that behind-cunningly b*tch.... :)

129 posted on 08/03/2002 5:21:38 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 127 | View Replies]

To: Tropoljac
Hmmm...how did we not fight in any of the big wars? Explain that to my greatgrandfahter who fought against the Russians, was captured, ended up in Siberia, escaped to Vladivostok, made to Detroit in time for the Great Depression, went to a Belgian mine, and came home after 20 years to his village to die 3 weeks later...

Which Uniform did he carry and who was his commander in chief?

130 posted on 08/03/2002 5:31:00 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 123 | View Replies]

To: Tropoljac
You were more than happy to join the Yugoslav Kingdom (SHS) in 1918!

According to whom? That is very incorrect.

According to this:

Serbia’s embrace of a radical program of South Slav unity, at such an early stage of the war, looked to its allies like an act of political bravado if not outright folly. It created difficulties for them even before Italy came into play, by making a separate peace with Austria-Hungary less likely. Soon thereafter, in early 1915 a “Yugoslav Committee” came into being, composed of Croat, Serb and Slovene political ÈmigrÈs from Austria-Hungary. Their initial task was to inform the Allies of the plight of the South Slavs in the Dual Monarchy and to propagate their unification with Serbia into a single state. It was the leaked news that the secret Treaty of London (March 1915) promised large territorial gains on the eastern Adriatic coast to Italy, as a reward for its entry into war on the side of the Entente, that prompted most committee members into action. The understated agenda of the Croat majority on the Committee was to preserve Dalmatia for the Croats, and deny it to the Italians, under the “Yugoslav” label.

The Committee established contact with the Serbian government, relocated to the Greek island of Corfu after the epic withdrawal of its army through northern Albania in the winter of 1915-1916. While the Committee sought to exploit Serbia’s weak position in 1916-1917 to exact concessions, and even share decision making powers with the Serbian government, Pasic had grown more inclined to a federal model which would define “Serbia,” politically and territorially, within the new South Slav state. His pragmatism was in contrast to the integralist enthusiasm of Prince Regent Alexander, however, to whom the royal prerogative had been transferred in 1914. This led to the signing of a declaration in 1917 which stated that “this people of ours, which has three names, is of same blood, shares the same spoken and written language, inhabits the same contiguous and undivided territory, and has the same interests of national survival and comprehensive moral and material development.”

The Corfu Declaration was a political compromise between two groups of politicians lacking any true mandate from their presumed constituents for the proposed endeavor. Millions of Serbs in the devastated, occupied Serbia, and further hundreds of thousands of their sons, brothers and fathers in the Serbain Army overseas, were hoping or fighting for a resurrected and enlarged Kingdom of Serbia. Further millions of non-Serb South Slavs had no idea that a “Yugoslav Committee” existed, let alone that it presumed to negotiate political documents of far-reaching significance on their behalf.

The Corfu Resolution did not resolve the dilemma between centralism and federalism but left it to the future constituent assembly. In so far as it did provide an outline of future constitutional arrangements, the Declaration reflected Regent Alexander’s preferences in that it proposed the creation of a “constitutional, democratic, and parliamentary monarchy headed by the house of Karadjordjevic.” It was to be called the Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes.[viii] It is noteworthy that under its terms Serbia was not to be given any privileged status or veto power in the new state, such as had been granted to Prussia in 1870. Both Serbia and Montenegro were supposed to cease existing as separate sovereign states. The decision of the Serbian government to sign the Declaration and to present it to the Allies as its official program - even though it could have had the “greater Serbia” on a plate – was an act of folly or generosity, depending on one’s viewpoint. The Croat chairman of the Yugoslav Committee, Trumbic, declared:

Serbia has made the greatest sacrifice for the union of our three-named people. She is ready to sacrifice her state individuality in order that one common state of all Serbs, Croats and Slovenes be created. With that she begins the greatest of her deeds and attains the absolute right to be called the Yugoslav Piedmont.[ix]

Both Britain and France preferred the “small” solution, which would result in a greatly enlarged Serbia, united with Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and given an outlet to the Adriatic south of the area promised to Italy in Dalmatia. This solution could be easily accommodated with the Treaty of London, under which Italy was to get Dalmatia and other parts of the northern Adriatic coastline. Such an outcome would have left Croatia squeezed between two enlarged, victorious neighbors – Italy and Serbia - and devoid of its coastline (most of which was promised to Italy), of friends and future.

The prospect was too horrible to contemplate even to those Croats who, until that time, had been loath to contemplate any scenario that smacked of “Yugoslavism” or Serb-friendly solutions. In the final year of the war, with the deteriorating internal situation in Austria-Hungary and the collapse of the Central Powers increasingly imminent, the openly Yugoslav sentiment was gaining strength in its South Slav-inhabited lands. By 1918 their political representatives started considering the creation of a grouping of all forces aimed at the establishment of a “democratically-based state of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs.” The new wave, coupled with the fear of Italy’s aspirations if the collapse of the Monarchy caught them alone, induced even some unabashedly Serbophobe Croats to join the bandwagon: the “Yugoslav” solution was perceived as a means of preserving and protecting Croat interests. As the Monarchy crumbled in the autumn of 1918, the Croat-Serb Coalition was the driving force behind the founding in Zagreb of the National Council, an ad hoc body that proclaimed the “State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs.” Even those diehard Schwarz-Gelbers, the Frankists, voted for it.[x]

From here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/724747/posts

131 posted on 08/03/2002 5:40:06 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 123 | View Replies]

To: Tropoljac
I was gonna bring up this point to "getoffmylawn". Half the Serbs I speak to say we have an inferiority complex towards the Serbs, the other half say we have a superiority complex. The thing is I haven't claimed neither, nor do I. I guess it's just a Serbian self-defense mechanism to claim either or... :)

I think it is both. It is deep, deep inside an inferiority complex, as you will never ever catch up to these big historical events I mentioned before. You are so proud to have defeated the serbs in 1995, actually only a few hundred thousand Krajina serbs who were on their own. The same tough serbs from 1389,1914,1941,1999....and so you camouflage your inferiority complex by having an extrovertedly superiority behaviour. :)

132 posted on 08/03/2002 5:51:19 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 123 | View Replies]

To: Tropoljac
Tito's Croatian dictatorship? Too funny! After he murdered 40,000 Croatians in May 1945, after he slaughtered our Priests, after he gave amnesty to the Chetniks in '44, after he took away Srijem, after he placed Serbs at the head of the communist party in Croatia, after he had Hebrang murdered....

Is he also to blame for taking away Zemun from you? :)

Don't be to harsh with the old guy...

133 posted on 08/03/2002 5:56:18 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 123 | View Replies]

To: Tropoljac; DestroyEraseImprove; crazykatz; weikel; Voronin; Kate22; All
Dear Tropoljac,you think twice before you post,because,you had just explained to all of us why did I call some of your posts "Ustashe propaganda"!

I was reffering to your comment about a paralel between assassination of Ferdinand and Yugoslav King Aleksandar,commited by a Ustashe and their friends VMRO(Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organisation)in Marselles in 1934.

But,you "despise Hitler" but couldn`t help yourselfe and had to admit that "your grandfather was fighting the Russians at the Eastern front...." LOOOOOOOOOOOL!

There is a Serbian proverb :"A fool is proud of the things that a decent man is ashamed off!"For uninformed postersCroatian Fascists(Ustashe) had one division of soldiers fighting with Nazis arround Stalingrad!Those were the ,most vicious Ustashe,mostly ,so called Black Shirts,responsible for the most bestial krimes in Yugoslavia 1941-45!And your granddaddy was one of them?Congratulations!Your family must be from Hercegovina(hotbed of Croat Fascisam)?!No surrprise you`re in Toronto,one of the centers of Croatian Fascist diaspora !Iz Gojko Susak some relative of yours,maybe???My condolences for his early demise!

I am glad that your family was at the eastern front,but,if I were you ,I wouldn`t bragg about it!You know what I mean?!

I would ,also,like to analise your comments about "Tito`s Yugoslavia":Yes,Yugoslav partisans killed(executed)many fleeing "Croats" in Bleiburg(Austria) in 1945!By all measures,a crime!But,what you have ,conviniently ommited is that those "Croats" (inocent,what else) were Ustashe running away from partizans and the Red Army!With a such a good reason that British army after fiding out what they have done during the war turned them over to the p[artizans!Your Iloustrious Leader,Ante Pavelich(a pschychopat par excellance)was ammong them but ,managed to escape to Italy(Vatikan) and reach Argentina (thanks to the your "Innocent"Catholic preasts and US OSS!)Ever heard of "Rat Lines"?Maybe your grandad has told you about them!?

Tito put Serbs in charge in Croatia...:

What is so strange about that?There was not enough Croatian communists,majority were Ustashe!!!!Don`t worry,Tropoljac,Croatian communist officials were in Yugoslav Governement!And,Yugoslav Peoples Army!That`s why Titos personal friend and Chief Of Military Security of the JNA,a Croat,had the audacity to tell to his colleague,Kosta Nadj "We didn`t kill enough of you here!" and was punched in response!He made a comment In Jasenovac,a place where your grandads pals slaughtered thousands of Serbs,during a celebration of the 20th anyversary of the liberation of that concentration camp!Kosta Nadj was promptly retired after that.After all,he was a Serbian .

"Croats are European,Serbs are Byzantine..."One of the gratest Yugoslav-Croat novelists,Miroslav Krleza had once said "God,save us from Serbian heroisam and Croatian culture!!"How true!Your "affiliation" to the West comes from 900 years of German and, even more so, Hungarian occupation and dominance!And,those were a very hard times for the Croatian nation.But,dear Tropoljac,the fact that you were (and Slovenes)Austro-Hungarian servants and stable boys doesn`t make you "aristocracy"!You were treated as serfs,had to listen to the Mass in Latin while Serbs had a relative freedom and religeous rites in their language(In Croatia).But the price was high;they were settled in Military Frontier and were the bulwark between Turks and the West!You,at that time were standing behind their backs and claimed that "You are the deffenders of the West!"My ass!>/b>The veneer of the West,is so thin in Croatia,and was reserved(and is) for the small elite!No more,no less!You had shown your "good western cultured behaviour" in WWII and under Tudjman!You were so f*****g Westernized that President Roosevelt,having seen reports of the atrocities and genocide over Serbs and Jews ,had said that " After the war Croats should be placed under the protectorate as an imature nation!"Your granddady and his cohorts who managed to reach,Canada,US,Australia,Austria and Spain and South America in order to cover their bloody trail immediately claimed that "We were fighting Communists and Communisam"!The fact that you just wanted to exterminate your neighbours,and create etnicly clean state,was lost in the fog of the Cold War!

" Sloughtered our preests..."

Which ones?Fratar Pop Majstorovich,maybe,the commander of the Jasenovac Camp??Cross in the left hand and a dagger in the right?In the name of God?A man who prided himself with a victory in competition in which he slit more than 200 Serbian throats in one hour???Catholic Church in Croatia was a major instrument of genocide and forcefull conversion of the Serbs(in order to survive)during WWII!You proud of that??Even today,Catholic Church is one of the major obstacles for the full democratisation of Croatia !A hard core chauvinists!Always been!

You were and always will be just a German puppets and an instrument of their geopolitical aspirations in Balkans!Danke Deutchland,right?

Sadly,that`s were all the simmilarity with the West,ends!The rest is a primitive intolerance toward others,with bloody consequences!That`s why when your beloved Tudjman died,no one from the diplomatic core came to his funeral!

I hope that I had cleared my point about your Ustashe propaganda?Iam glad that you`re a chip from the old block!

And,BTW,I am half Croat and know Croatia and Hercegovina inside out so,be carefull in debate,you might get hammered!

134 posted on 08/03/2002 10:21:21 PM PDT by branicap
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 123 | View Replies]

Comment #135 Removed by Moderator

Comment #136 Removed by Moderator

Comment #137 Removed by Moderator

To: Tropoljac
The croats fought for the Habsburgs, the serbs faught for themselves. Big difference here and again an explanation for the inferiority complex.
138 posted on 08/04/2002 2:22:39 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 135 | View Replies]

Comment #139 Removed by Moderator

To: Tropoljac
Yeah,...., you fought for your homes in the middle of Russia and a german was your Commander in Chief!
140 posted on 08/04/2002 3:27:49 PM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 139 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 101-120121-140141-160161-180 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson