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Illegal to own money? Can someone explain this to me?
ebay | 07/27/2002

Posted on 07/27/2002 9:52:52 AM PDT by Glenn

THE PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
SOLD BY ORDER OF THE UNITED STATES MINT

THE 1933 DOUBLE EAGLE

Designer:
Augustus Saint-Gaudens (1848-1907)

Obverse
: LIBERTY; in lower right field, 1933 above designers monogram ASG. Liberty striding forward wearing a flowing gown and with her hair blowing in the wind. Her left foot on a rock, at the base of which lies an oak branch. In her right hand she holds a lighted torch aloft and before her; in her extended left hand she holds an olive branch. To the lower left, a small representation of the Capitol building, behind which the rays of the sun emanate. Around, 48 stars (representing the states of the Union).

Reverse:
UNITED·STATES·OF·AMERICA· / TWENTY·DOLLARS· in two lines. An Eagle flying left across rays of the rising sun.

Edge:
E*PLURIBUS*UNUM***********

Die Characteristics:
"The coin is identified by a slight doubling of the vertical bar of the E of LIBERTY on the obverse and by a die scratch in the field of the reverse, traversing the tip of the beak of the eagle.

"The coin is a genuine and unaltered product of the United States Mint at Philadelphia. It was struck from the same reverse die which produced the reference coins in the Smithsonian collection, also viewed at the same time. The obverse is consistent with those of the Smithsonian coins, including some doubling of the E. The obverse is quite likely from the very same die, as well, although the doubling is not so certain an indicator as the die scratch."
George E. Hunter, Ph. D., Assistant Director for Process Control and Quality Assurance, United States Mint. March 7, 1996

Rarity:
Effectively Unique.

This is the only 1933 Double Eagle monetized and issued by the United States Mint. It is the also the only example that will ever be authorized for private ownership by the United States Government.

The two examples preserved in the Smithsonian Institution have never been monetized and are officially considered chattel by the government. Any additional examples which may exist, are similarly property of the United States Government, illegal to own, and subject to seizure.

A Certificate of Transfer will accompany this lot, attesting to its unique status.

Condition:
Gem Brilliant Uncirculated.



TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: gold; mint
I came across this on eBay. The opening price is 2.5 million.

Can some smart soul on here explain how the government can issue coinage and then make it illegal to own and then auction it off for several million dollars? I'm completely confused about just where the American citizen fits into the picture anymore.

1 posted on 07/27/2002 9:52:52 AM PDT by Glenn
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To: Glenn
link?
2 posted on 07/27/2002 9:55:04 AM PDT by Maedhros
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To: Maedhros
No link. That would be a solicitation. I'm trying to follow the rules here. You can search Double Eagle 1933 on ebay to your heart's content, though.
3 posted on 07/27/2002 9:56:29 AM PDT by Glenn
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To: Glenn
I found this by doing a search on Google

Eagle Coin

4 posted on 07/27/2002 10:06:23 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Glenn
And this

Double Eagle

5 posted on 07/27/2002 10:08:47 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Glenn
I believe this harkens back to FDR's edict to make it illegal for Americans to own gold.
6 posted on 07/27/2002 10:10:20 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
I think you're right....
7 posted on 07/27/2002 10:11:50 AM PDT by jude24
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To: All
Very interesting to read

Story of the coin

8 posted on 07/27/2002 10:12:53 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Glenn
http://www.realityzone.com/creatfromjek.html

The answer to your present question and any future questions regarding the Government and money are in this book.

Your not going to like the answer.

Eddie01

9 posted on 07/27/2002 10:14:38 AM PDT by The Real Eddie01
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To: The Real Eddie01
Thanks for the replies. I guess as long as the government can make a few million bucks, the value of national objects is purely a thing of whim. What was illegal becomes legal long enough for the givernment to enrich an auction house or two as well as fill the coffers.
10 posted on 07/27/2002 10:17:10 AM PDT by Glenn
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To: Glenn
Until you get a chance to read the book here is a synopsis...

http://store.yahoo.com/realityzone/creature2.html

11 posted on 07/27/2002 10:18:33 AM PDT by The Real Eddie01
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To: jude24; dirtboy
He is.

a.cricket
12 posted on 07/27/2002 10:19:09 AM PDT by another cricket
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To: Glenn
What does the law say about taking a dollar bill out of your wallet and burning it?
13 posted on 07/27/2002 10:22:34 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Glenn
well, glenn, its like this:

your freedom and liberty are illusions...the rise of tyranny has been going on for eighty or so years, maybe more. there's just a lot of folks who have slept right through it. thats' how we got here, now.
14 posted on 07/27/2002 10:23:15 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: Cultural Jihad

Legal?

15 posted on 07/27/2002 10:25:18 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Yes.
16 posted on 07/27/2002 10:26:57 AM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void
"According to federal laws, cutting, defacing, disfiguring and mutilating money with the intent to make the bills un-exchangeable is illegal."

http://www.honkforhemp.com/arc95.htm

"Whenever the destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money..." - Ayn Rynd

17 posted on 07/27/2002 10:57:12 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Glenn
Can some smart soul on here explain how the government can issue coinage and then make it illegal to own and then auction it off for several million dollars?

I believe the ad mistakingly claims that these were "issued". It is my understanding that although these were minted, they were order to be destroyed and were never officially "issued" for circulation. The surviving examples are considered to be stolen government property.

18 posted on 07/27/2002 11:04:31 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Kaslin
Thanks for the links. Apparently there's only this one coin left in existence. Funny to think of the export license error allowing King Farouk to take the stolen coin out of the country, and the efforts to get it back.
19 posted on 07/27/2002 11:30:25 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
You are welcome. I knew if I do a search I would find something on it
20 posted on 07/27/2002 12:07:08 PM PDT by Kaslin
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