[Torie]

Yes, well I dissent, in part but only in part, because in some places nominal adherents of Islam take a more relaxed and catholic (small c) view of matters. They are more attuned to and tolerant of other forces in this world. They put religion in a larger context.

[Cachelot]

Yes, well I dissent, in part but only in part, because in some places nominal adherents of Islam take a more relaxed and catholic (small c) view of matters

True. There are some Muslims in Italy that seem remarkably sane, for example. Some of the Muslims coming out of the Balkans as refugees are also pretty much "Muslim in name only" and secularized.

However: this would seem a state of affairs that is prone to change very quickly, for example when the Muslim population reach a certain percentage of the total (call it "critical mass"). I also have a problem actually trusting even a "relaxed" Muslim, knowing that the religion actually endorses and even demands that the followers practice lying if it helps to expand the islamic influence and convert or kill the infidels.